Secret rapture...
What has your searching of the word said to you?

I will wait for a few responses to post my findings w/scripture.

Peace be with you,
John.

a Secret ? the Scriptures plainly show us that when our Saviour returns every eye will see Him ! !

True very true.
I just posted this because alot of people believe that all Christians are going to dissapear in a 'rapture'

Some are very animent about it, and when anyone tells them there is not they can get very upset.

Many use 1. Thess. 4:16,17 as a secret rapture verse.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of {the} archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1 Thess 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.(NASB)

If he will use the voice of an Archangel, and the trumpet of GOD, Everyone living and dead will hear that, no secrecy in that.

Peace be with you,
John.

If all Christians were to suddenly be gone, and those who were left, how would they be able to come to know the Lord and salvation that only comes through Christ?

Thoughts?

jjkirk... maybe you have the chatching away confussed with the scound comming......

like a thief in the night.......

Sorry it took so long for me to respnd been busy.


I know it sounds like I have it confused; that is what I was talking about to begin with. I personally believe people believe that there is a "rapture" of believers before the second coming. I have found that does not line up with scripture. I have found this supposed rapture is infact the second coming, and not a seperate event; like that is portrayed in the jenkins/lahaye books.

Originally Posted by Debra

jjkirk... maybe you have the chatching away confussed with the scound comming......

like a thief in the night.......

""like a thief in the night"" does not mean that it is a secret,


what it means is that when He comes it will be an unexpected event,

the event will catch people unaware,


when we are expecting company we don't go to sleep and have the doors locked,


we sit up expectantly waiting for them to come with the lights on the the doors unlocked,


but if the company don't come when we expect them we tend to get tired of waiting,


we will go to sleep and lock the doors,


So the scriptures are a warning to us to not get tired of waiting and get sleepy,


We are to keep on the watch so that the event don't catch us unaware and sleeping.
!!!!!

oneheart,


Thank you for a very good analogy. You seem to have said it better than I did, and I thank you for that,
God Bless

I have a bit of a quandry going on in my head I wonder can any of you solve it for me.
When a Christian person passes away-goes to Glory, Heaven Yes? so therefore a non-Christian goes to Hell yes?
but it says in the Bible in Revelations that at the second coming of our Lord Jesus the dead shall rise first to meet up with those christian's left in the world to meet in the air then shall take place the day of Judgement, so how can we go to Heaven or Hell now in passing on?
Hope you understand what I mean.
Thank you.

Maureen
Well, when Christ raises the dead he raises all that ever lived, and for the Christians who are already in Heaven(Paradise) will be reunited with their bodies(which will be raised also)They will be be renewed and made perfect again. Raised to eternal life. The others will be raised to eternal death(The second death).
Hope this helps a little.
Peace be with you,
John.