Rapture , resurrection ....the same event.

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Dead people are "resurrected".....those that are alive and remain will be "raptured".


1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Originally Posted by Donnie Ducati

Rapture , resurrection ....the same event.

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Dead people are "resurrected".....those that are alive and remain will be "raptured".


1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Yep---you got it!

Rapture... The blessed hope of every believer!

What is the rapture?

The rapture is the blessed hope of every believer. It is when Jesus comes back for His church, His bride{His true believers}. This will happen before tribulations start. We will be caught up into the air to meet Jesus. We will be changed into eternal immortal form that has real substance.The rapture is instantaneous, one moment we will be going about our daily lives here on Earth; the next moment we will be hurtled into the presence of God and departed loved ones. Then we will go with Jesus to the homes which He has prepared for us in Heaven.

What does scripture say about rapture?

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who have fallen asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him. According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

1 Corinthians 15:49-54

And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven. I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable and the mortal with immoratality. When the perishable is raised imperishable, and the mortal with the immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: Death has been swallowed up in victory.

Luke 17:26-36

Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed then all.

It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfer rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

It will be just like this on the day Son of Man is revealed. On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. Remember Lots wife! Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.

Matthew 24:36-44

No one knows the day or the hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark and they knew nothing of what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Therefore keep watch , because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the theif was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him.

Luke 21:34-36

Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drukenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you will be able to stand before the Son of Man.

Mark 16:19

After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was taken up to heaven and He sat at the right hand of God. {One day we will be taken up too!}

John 14:1-3

Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, trust also in me. In my Fathers house there are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you may also be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.

The dead in Christ are with HIM NOW! Of course they rise first !
Our flesh bodies return to the dust of the earth .They are part of this planet !
We get new bodies to dwell in forever more ,like His!

Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing

He only makes perfect things out of nothing! He never uses old junk to make New things!

We see in scripture, being talking in heaven to him and each other!


They have to have new bodies to wear robes!
Rev_7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev_7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev_7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Not yet appear? Means nothing we see here is how we will look!

Our house is our new body!
2Co_5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

Ecc_3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust‡†, and all turn to dust‡† again.

Ecc_12:7 Then shall the dust‡† return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

This is the way Jesus looked before He created the earth!

Dan_7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

This is the way He looks in New Jerusalem
Rev_1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters

It appears the same to me ! Also we will appear as He does now?

Act_2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Pretty sure David is one of the elders in heaven now!

Rev_4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

We know for sure 12 are the disciples! the other 12 i guess must come from the old testament?

When the LORD delivered the Israelites from Egypt and divided the Red Sea, was it done in secret? No... all their enemies saw them go!

Likewise, When The Lord Jesus returns we shall be caught up with Him in the air to be with Him forever.
It shall be glorious and all our foes shall see us depart from the earth!
Hallelujah!

I doubt people will see our LORD in the air or our Spirit going up! I have no scripture either way! But we do know the spirits of just people go up all the time! Which we never see that ! I Do not think the LORD going to be close to the earth? How far up He calls us? I Do Not know!
i do not think New Jerusalem comes into our space , Until after He creates a New Heavens and earth! It appears the Heavens are corrupted now!

I sure The old heaven was corrupted when the fallen angles entered it, that where i believe the two wittiness's are ! Because nothing evil can enter New Jerusalem !
He not coming for a show! He only coming in the air to get us , to keep us from the wrath of god upon this planet!

if mankind saw HIM? Then most would repent i think! A false repenting?
That would no longer be by Faith , i think?
and He has declared that the just live by Faith ! believing what we do not see! but these are only my thinking on this ! anyone can disagree with it!

By the way ?No one saw the LORD divide the red sea! You know we never see the gift only the Results that we have them!
There are lots of things we cannot be 100% Sure of! But the scriptures are always true! We might not have the perfect understanding of them Always! but I know they are correct!
There will be lots of flesh bodies of the saints on the ground ,all over the world! The spirit of these have gone Up! This will give the governments the chance to gain full control! They will make up stories why these people died?
We are Very close to the Catching Away!.

Originally Posted by spirit1st

By the way ?No one saw the LORD divide the red sea! You know we never see the gift only the Results that we have them!
There are lots of things we cannot be 100% Sure of! But the scriptures are always true! We might not have the perfect understanding of them Always! but I know they are correct!
There will be lots of flesh bodies of the saints on the ground ,all over the world! The spirit of these have gone Up! This will give the governments the chance to gain full control! They will make up stories why these people died?
We are Very close to the Catching Away!.

You have a lot of things right, but there won't be any flesh bodies of Christians lying anywhere, because our bodies (dead and alive) will be taken up as is, and changed to glory. What the world will witness is our baffling disappearance. Piles of clothing, false teeth and fillings, spectacles, wigs, breast implants, bone screws, and prostheses of all types will drop to the ground where we once stood!

The world will be plunged immediately into panic. The story the world must come up with is not how any of us died, but where and how we vanished. The living will disappear and the dead's graves will be violently opened and disturbed, so cemeteries will be in complete disarray. The world will be completely spooked.