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View Poll Results: What kind of religion Islam is?
Allah is not Jehovah. There is no Trinity in Islam. Jesus is NOT God in Islam. In Islam Heaven is a place where get to be with 49 virgins for eternity. There are good and moral Muslims, there are some "not so moral" people claiming to be Christians, but in Christianity, our "goodness" isn't what saves us. In some ways they are similar, but the theology is nothing like Christianity.
No disrespect to you, but Islam is NOTHING like Christianity. Islam is controlling, barbaric and nothing about it is family friendly. I do not believe that beating or killing a family member because they disobey some stupid Islamic based law is justifiable. Islam plain and simple is evil. How is suicide bombing, and killing others who are non Muslims educational in teaching...teaching what? Like I said..I mean no disrespect towards you personally..I just believe Islam to be evil.
Yes it has extremists, for sure.
However it is much like old Christian religion, live and die by the law. There is no grace , no salvation but by works and all live by the law.
Many of the laws are barbaric, but so were the old laws of the old testament in many ways.
Christians are appalled and disgusted when they hear something like if any person tries to convert a Muslim to Christianity the family of the Muslim must kill that person.
But our own religion said the same thing.
Deuteronomy 13: 6-10 and it means what it means.
We the other nations, the USA, are to blame for much of the retaliation and terrorist actions. Many of the Muslim faith still live on a dirt floor, live day to day, they are poor, they have little to look forward to so they cling to their religion. We the powerful nations want their oil, and this and that, and to dictate to them what they can and cannot do. So they fight back in anyway they can.
There is and has been extreme violence in all conversion religions. Both Christianity and Islam are conversion and conquer when used by the ones who make it so.
The main difference is they do not recognize Christ as God. Nor did he die on the cross nor is he the savior. So they live by the law, without grace.
That in itself lends to more acceptance to violence.
Kit
An easy way, a smile and a sense of humor, a love for life and a love for God, that is me.
A few things to compare with Islam and Christianity:
Human Nature and sin:
1. The Bible says in Romans 3:23 (KJV) For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
2. The Koran says:All people are basically good.
Salvation:
1. Bible~Ephesians 2:8,9 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith: and that not of yourselves:it is the gift of God:*9. Not of works,lest any man should boast.
2. Salvation is by sincerity and works. Salvation is earned through a life of good deeds.
The Devil:
1. Bible~Isaiah 14:12-15(KJV) 12.How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!*13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. *14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.*15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
2. The Koran teaches that the devil, Satan is not a fallen angel but a fallen Jinn.
Comparisons between the Koran and the Christian Bible are impossible.
For one very simple reason.
Jesus Christ is God, when God is speaking in the first five books of the Old Testament. Who is speaking?
Answer: Jesus Christ.
The Koran bestows the title of prophet on Jesus.
They do not have God, nor do they obey God.
Muslims are committing blasphemy.
Christians have never killed anyone!
If you think they have then my answer is simple.
They were not Christians who killed those people.
We have been at war with Islam for over a decade!
Will this war ever end? Not till Jesus returns.
Hi David:
I have no intent of supporting the Islamic religion. I have been there and my son gave five years of his life in the fight against that situation. I was trying to show that to live by the law, with no acceptance of Christ as our, or their savior simply does not work. As it did not work in the old days when God set the law, it does not work now. Without Christ there is no solution. Getting them to accept this is an challenge to the extreme, due to their culture, and training and even in the schools they have extreme teachings for each grade up to grade 10. Yes their God claimed to be the same God by many is not really the same God. That is also a complicated explanation, but their God is not our God. Even though they claim it to be so.
We should always look for the good, but we should also be wise and I have often wondered about the wisdom of our leaders who do not realize the seriousness of conflict with these people. They take this religion very serious and will fight the infidel to the last man. They are taught this from a young age.
When one reads the bible and about the end times and all the violence and chopping off of heads and so on, one can see this will be the religion of use against us one day.
Even Sharia law is creeping into our society. Just recently in Oklahoma a court ruled that it was against the constitution to ban Sharia law, in other words instead of the law of our land used in our own culture and in our society , now provisions are allowed to accept Islamic law. This is occurring more and more. Muslims are being accepted into powerful political positions also.
Bit by bit, sin by sin, tolerance by tolerance, the edges are ate away. One day they will be at the center of the pie. Not just this situation but all major sin, bit by bit is accepted.
I consider this religion very, very dangerous to all. It will be the catalyst for war and conflict for many years to come.
The above is my opinion, opinion developed by the observation of life and society. I have no scripture to support it, it is just the common sense God gave me. Our society has become so totally non judgemental that we are being assimilated by the enemy just as the tribes of God were cautioned about in the old testament. Everything is now permissible, do not judge.
As for the rest of it I was trying to show that without Christ, we may have become somewhat the same. We can only give Great Thanks to God for his willingness to provide our salvation by the sacrifice of his Son. Without this era of grace, we might also be still violent and have barbaric laws.
allah is a demonic idol.
From the Bible believers biblical archeology page on allah (the moon god):
he Archaeology of the Middle East
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I would encourage you to take the time and go to their website and read the whole document.
Psa 62:5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him.
Hi Kit. I agree with you. I think in 20 years, Muslim law will prevail. Just now, we are hearing how "peaceful and loving" Muslim people are - that is possibly true. But when the call comes to rise up against the infidel - what do you think they are going to do? Say no, sorry, we can't? I don't think so. I believe that Sharia law will prevail also and that the womanhood of the West will be bowed down by it. If this is God's plan for the last days then we have to praise Him that the last days are upon us. It is truly a demonic religion with a plan for world dominion, powered by Satan who is the prince of this world and wants to attempt to stay out of the abyss.
No disrespect to you, but Islam is NOTHING like Christianity. Islam is controlling, barbaric and nothing about it is family friendly. I do not believe that beating or killing a family member because they disobey some stupid Islamic based law is justifiable. Islam plain and simple is evil. How is suicide bombing, and killing others who are non Muslims educational in teaching...teaching what? Like I said..I mean no disrespect towards you personally..I just believe Islam to be evil.
In a way I would be inclined to agree however the family thing you said is not true. I am sorry but for a Christian country America does not have the same family morals, murder still happens, teenage pregnancy, goodness some don't even know who the father is, Sleeping around, porn, drinking to get drunk, and materialism, adultary is all time high. I was in Palestine recently and the family ties are stronger in Islam and the morals of the younger generation is much better than Americans. You only have to watch disgusting programmes like American pie and other vile American tv shows corrupted by sex and bad morals..Yes, murder happens in all country however, Muslims do not believe evil if anything most have better morals than young Americans. not all are terriorists you know quite the opposite. Whether you like to hear that or not. I am a Christian and I have sinned and continue to do so and try my best I am not perfect and hopefully only God will forgive me. I will defend Muslims in this case. I do not believe in Mohammed though only Jesus Christ as saviour not as prophet. So is America Evil then. Killings happen all the time and not all Christians are good. Fact!
In a way I would be inclined to agree however the family thing you said is not true. I am sorry but for a Christian country America does not have the same family morals.
harvester, I used to work in real estate, up until very recently. There were a number of muslim families on the estate which I worked. Neighbours of these muslim families reported horrific abuse of the wife by the husband and the police often became involved in these "domestic violence" cases. Now, I am a free woman, I live in a country where laws provide for me, I am a valued human being, not a terribly abused (and sometimes killed) dog to bow down to the thoughts and wishes of one human being. Eve was given as a "helpmeet" for Adam, not a slave. When you are a Christian, you try to draw people to Christ, the ones who indulge in the kind of lifestyle you outline. You tell them of the love of Christ, you don't bludgeon them about the head, call them infidels and subscribe to the theory of "converting by violence if necessary". If you are a Christian, you will believe that Isaac was the son chosen of God, not Ishmael. Sarah was the true wife, not Hagar. When the Lord speaks about the whore of Babylon, I don't think he is speaking of Sarah!! I believe that Islam is going to control the world one day, and Christians will have to run from it and maybe die. If we do die, like Stephen, we will say "Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God". Hallelujah.