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Col 2:20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations-- Quote:
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What God REALLY says is this: Col 2:20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations-- Col 2:21 "Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch" Col 2:22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)--according to human precepts and teachings? Col 2:23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. I have to conclude, when it comes to the health of the physical man, the OP may have been a edifying (tho biased) message. When it comes to the Spiritual man, this subject has no value. I had a brother die of Melanoma at age 37, he was a licensed preacher of the gospel, and never smoked a day in his life. Now tell me if this topic holds any weight in Heaven. It is appointed to man once to die, and after that the judgement, and God there wont be asking how well you preserved your body, because if He does, i`m sure we are all under the worst kind of curse. Change the title of this document to "Scriptural Principles for Not Eating Sugar" [ see Sugar: Just Love Your Children To Death] and it will be just as valueless Spiritually. Jesus Christ is going to judge you and I, by what comes out of our hearts, not by what we put into our bodies. Period. (now thats the WORD OF GOD) I am glad if anyone is inspired by this article, and would not even have commented, if it didnt include "thus saith the Lord" |
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11-21-08, 11:26 PM
WELL HISTORY OF SMOKING IS.
It is thought that tobacco growing started in the region of Central America around 6000 BC. It wasn't until 5000 years later, around 1000 BC that the Mayan civilisation began to chew and smoke the leaves of the tobacco plant, as well as mix the leaves together with herbs and plants and administer the mixture to the wounds of the sick. As the Mayans dispersed and populated different areas, such as North and South America, they took with them their precious tobacco leaves and plants. Hundreds of years later during the time of some of the world's greatest European explorers, tobacco was discovered and later brought back to the new world. Columbus was probably the first European to see tobacco leaves although he did not smoke them himself. A fellow explorer, Rodrigo de Jerez, shortly after, landed in Cuba and observed some of the inhabitants smoking the tobacco leaves. He then proceeded to partake in the smoking act himself. On his return to Spain, laden with heaps of tobacco, Jerez startled his fellow countrymen by smoking in front of them. Never in their lives had they seen a man with smoke coming out of his mouth and nose. People thought that he was possessed by the devil and members of the Spanish Inquisition imprisoned him for several years. During his imprisonment, smoking actually became quite popular in Spain. In the 1530's a number of Europeans saw the potential money making in tobacco and they decided to cash in and make their wealth from the cultivation of this popular plant. They began to colonize areas of the Caribbean and established large tobacco growing areas, from which they exported all the tobacco back to Europe. It is said that Sir Francis Drake was the first man to bring back a consignment of tobacco into the UK in 1573, although Sir Walter Raleigh later went on to make tobacco smoking popular in the court of Queen Elizabeth I. During the year 1586 Sir Walter Raleigh embarked on a trip to the Americas where he met Ralph Lane, who at the time was Governor of Virginia. Lane introduced Raleigh to the pleasures of smoking a clay pipe, which was popular there in that era. A year later a number of colonists who had previously left England to settle in Virginia, returned to their homeland and introduced the fashion of smoking clay pipes into English society. Over the years many English families travelled to Virginia to settle in order to try and make a wealthy living from growing tobacco in the plantations there. Pipe smoking was also gradually becoming extremely popular in several other European countries, including Spain and France. At the beginning of the 17th Century, tobacco was just starting to be regularly imported into the UK, with amounts of 25,000 pounds being shipped from the Americas. By the turn of the century this amount had increased to a figure nearing 38 million pounds and the competitive marketing and tobacco production on a large scale began to get underway. Pipe smoking and snuff had become popular in London during the 17th Century and later smoking cigars became the trend but it wasn't until the mid 1800's that the cigarette as we know it was manufactured. With the introduction of cigarette making machines, which at the time produced about 200 cigarettes a minute, the tobacco industry began to grow and grow. As cigarettes were now being mass-produced, they became more easily available and affordable to a wider range of people. At first it was mainly the soldiers who were fighting in the wars who became hooked on smoking. Sometimes with long periods of inactivity, the soldiers became low in morale, so they were given cigarettes to smoke in order to keep up their spirits. At the start of the Second World War, American president Roosevelt made tobacco a protected crop. There were shortages of tobacco in America and England, as packets and packets of cigarettes were sent to the troops fighting in the war. This is the time, during both World Wars, that smoking cigarettes became immensely popular. After the war the soldiers went back home and introduced cigarettes to their families, therefore strengthening the trend. Back then, medical research into the effects of smoking was in its infancy and it wasn't until the 1950's that the first warning signals were being sound, as links between smoking and lung cancer were suddenly being reported. At that time tobacco companies had become multi million pound industries and they could not afford to have bad publicity. In 1964, the US Surgeon General reported that smoking cigarettes caused lung cancer. Following this, advertising tobacco was banned from television and radio and tobacco companies were made to print health warnings on the packets of their cigarette brand. In 1973, the first restrictions on smoking in public were put into place in the US. All airline companies were made to separate smoking areas from non-smoking areas on their planes and in 1987 all smoking was prohibited on flights of less than two hours duration. In 1988 the US Surgeon General concluded after extensive research that nicotine is an addictive drug. By 1990 there were more restrictions on smoking on public modes of transport and Vermont became the first state in the USA to ban smoking in all indoor public places. Big tobacco bosses swore in Congress 1994 that nicotine wasn't addictive and that they did not in any way control the levels of nicotine found in cigarettes. However only three years later they reappeared before Congress to testify that nicotine was in fact addictive and that smoking could cause cancer. More and more tobacco companies in the US were being prosecuted by individuals wanting compensation for the death of their relatives or for their own ill health, which they claimed had been caused by smoking. Claimants became more successful in winning their cases as time went on and an increasing number of tobacco companies were demanded to pay out huge amounts of money in damages. Advertising cigarette brands in the media has now been banned in many countries in order to try and prevent more and more people taking up the habit and there are smoking restrictions in all indoor public places and all workplaces in several cities and countries including New York, California, Florida, Norway, England, Ireland and Spain. |
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11-21-08, 11:40 PM
well i whould like to share with you how dangerus is smoking for Womens and specially for pregnant womens
Introduction to smoking when pregnant Nicotine is an extremely powerful and addictive drug. Bearing this in mind, female smokers who immediately give up smoking as soon as they find out that they are pregnant should be strongly commended for doing so, as they aim to protect the health of their unborn child. Obviously to a mother, her child is the most important and precious thing in the world. But for the child, isn't it also important for him or her to have a healthy mother, who will not die an early death through developing a preventable smoke-related illness? In the majority of developed countries, around 20% of women smoke and although nowadays more and more people in general are quitting the habit, it is the women of childbearing age who are finding it the hardest to give up. Statistics show that a third of women who are of childbearing age regularly smoke, or in other words are smokers. Out of the 20% of women who do smoke, between 20 - 30% of them smoked throughout their pregnancy, with more than 50% of them smoking over half a packet of cigarettes a day. Research suggests that if all pregnant women gave up smoking, the number of stillbirths and cot deaths could be reduced by around 10%. Not only that, but the risks of numerous other smoke-related complications and illnesses before, during and after birth, would also be greatly reduced. By smoking throughout pregnancy, the health of the mother and the child are at risk. Smoking could also be the cause health problems later on in life for both mother and child as well. Despite the fact that generally the number of smokers has declined, the number of heavy smokers has practically doubled in the last 10 years, and more so in women than in men. This statistic is of particular interest because it has been proven that the more cigarettes a woman smokes throughout her pregnancy, the more the unborn child will be affected or harmed. If a mother smokes whilst she is expecting, there is no doubt that the unborn child will be harmed in some way through exposure to tobacco smoke. How seriously depends on how many cigarettes the mother smokes. Not only could the correct development of the baby's body be at risk, but so could the development of its brain and its health. These problems could have a lifetime impact on the child, possibly staying with him well into adulthood. Smoking can also complicate the pregnancy, labour, birth and feeding of the child. If a mother reduces the number of cigarettes she smokes to one or two a day, then the risk of any complications or harm to the baby are lessoned. However, even smoking those one or two cigarettes means that the baby is still being exposed to harmful chemicals, poisons and toxins. After the birth of their child, around half of the mothers who gave up smoking during their pregnancy, took up the habit again within a few weeks, days or even hours of giving birth. A child's health may also suffer from passive smoking in the home. Passive smoking can lead to respiratory problems such as asthma and also ear infections amongst other conditions (See section on passive smoking). Maternal smoking and the health of your child If you smoke throughout your pregnancy and continue to smoke after the baby has been born, your child will be exposed to secondhand smoke throughout its childhood. This will lead to adverse effects on its health. Babies who have one or two parents who smoke are twice as likely to suffer from breathing disorders such as bronchitis or asthma, especially during the first two years of their life. They may suffer from more colds, coughs, wheezing and are still at risk of dying from SIDS. Children exposed to environmental tobacco smoke will be more vulnerable to infections and illnesses and will visit the doctor more often than a child who has not been exposed. More worryingly, the latest research has found that smoking whilst being pregnant, not only affects the health and growth of the child, but is also associated with hyperactivity, behaviour disorders and poor results at school. As a child, there is an increased risk that the child will go through puberty at an earlier age and as an adult, the risks are higher for suffering a stroke, heart disease, high blood pressure or from developing a from of diabetes. The benefits of giving up smoking Becoming pregnant is an excellent reason to give up smoking for good. There is more than enough evidence to prove that smoking whilst pregnant has adverse effects on your child's development; physically, emotionally and mentally. The sooner you quit smoking the better, although it is never too late. Even if you are nearing the end of your pregnancy, your child's health and growth will benefit from no longer being exposed to the harmful substances that tobacco smoke contains. If you really find it impossible to give up smoking, then, at least try to limit the number of cigarettes you smoke to less than 5 a day if possible. If you give up smoking within the first few weeks of your pregnancy, you have every chance of giving birth to a completely normal and healthy baby. If you need help to give up smoking, you should consult your doctor, midwife or health professional. Ideally, it is best for pregnant women to quit without the use of any Nicotine Replacement Treatments (NRT's), such as patches or gum, as the baby will still be exposed to concentrations of nicotine, which will in turn adversely affect the developing foetus. Strength and willpower together with counselling from a professional and support from family and friends will be the best way to give up smoking if you are expecting a child. Smoking mothers and hyperactive children Scientists have gradually become aware of an increase in the number of hyperactive children being born over the last thirty years, which seemed to coincide with an increase in smoking and above all, heavy smoking in women. This had led them to investigate further in order to find out whether there is a link between the two. Investigations conducted by the Psychology Department of a Canadian University have uncovered a possible link between heavy maternal smoking and hyperactive (ADHD) children. Although a very small number of children were observed, it was found that the mothers of these "hyperkinetic" children who were being treated with Ritalin, smoked on average 14 cigarettes a day whilst they were pregnant and increased this amount to 23 cigarettes a day after giving birth. In comparison, mothers of "normal" children only smoked 6 cigarettes during pregnancy and 8 after giving birth. The reason for the hyperactivity is found in the fact that high levels of carbon monoxide in the foetus, which were double the levels of the mother, were concentrating in the foetus, depriving it of necessary oxygen and consequently severely damaging and altering the unborn child's central nervous system Maternal smoking and poor school results Several studies were carried out in a number of different countries where thousands children were observed over time and subsequently tested on their reading, maths, language skills and ability to process and carry out auditory tasks and information. Three different groups were studied: a) children of active smoking mothers who smoked throughout pregnancy b) children exposed to passive smoking at home c) children whose parents didn't smoke at all The childrens' abilities were evaluated when they reached the age of 11 and the results showed that the children belonging to mothers who smoked were on average shorter in height and several months behind the other two groups in their reading, maths and general schoolwork ability. Likewise, performance in auditory processing tasks was also lower in the maternal smoking group. Furthermore, findings also showed that the children in the passive smoking group performed better than the children whose mothers actively smoked, but not as well as the children in the smoke free group. Child behaviour disorders linked to maternal smoking Finally, researchers have discovered that women who smoke throughout pregnancy are significantly more likely to have children who possess severe behaviour disorders. These disorders such as anxiety, disobedience or anger problems become apparent as the child becomes older. The children that displayed the greatest behaviour problems belonged to mothers who smoked more than 20 cigarettes a day during their pregnancy. |
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11-22-08, 01:32 AM
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I have a scripture you forgot......... 1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. Nice job of tearing apart sunilgill_87 post. Real smart use of scriptures there. I found the post to be written in love and could see no wrong intention in the post but only that of trying to help a christian in bondage to smoking. There may have been some places that may have taken some faith to make the scripture connections, but far better than the heavy handed approach you gave to the letter of the LAW!!! Quote:
We are told to lay aside every weight and sin. Heb 12:1 Smoking could very much be considered a weight (Bondage) and sin as most Christians that do smoke are in condemnation about it or at least know they should take measures to quit. sunilgill_87 seemed to be well informed about what he was talking about, had good information on the science behind what smoking can cause. Gave consequences to the act of smoking but always assured us that God can help and did not attempt to condemn. sunilgill_87 could have used different scriptures to make a point, but was not trying to add to God's Word or deceive anyone. He was simply trying to make the connections in scriptures to those that need help. So, you have ruined this article Coconut by blasting away on how false sunilgill_87 post is. That put him on the defense to post more long pages of proof and it has taken away from the simple message that he gave at the start. I can only conclude that you smoke a lot coconut and was offended at this post because of it, or your just plain ignorant of the love of God. Jesus Is Lord. |
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11-22-08, 07:06 PM
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Brother Mike Why do most Christians think smoking is a sin and are under condemnation about it? I think your statement proves my point. I care not what you conclude. If the Holy Ghost Act 15:28 did not want to lay this burden of guilt on men, then we should not either. Tit 1:14 Not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. |
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