Biowza, just three things:

One, how does science disprove God? God created this perfect order and gave us the brains to see the logic in creation, so that fact that anything can be proved scientifically doesn't prove that God doesn't exist - it only proves that we have a very intelligent Creator and;

Two, evolution is just a theory - it cannot be proved. This guy (Dr Kent Hovind) offers $250 000 to anyone who can prove evolution. Why? Because he knows no one can. Here is the website - you can go have a look for yourself.

Creation Science Evangelism - Creation, Evolution, Dinosaurs, and the Bible.

Three, God can be proved - 100%. It's simple. When you look at a building, how do you know there was a builder? When you see a painting how do you know there was a painter? Your logic tells you that the building and the painting is proof there was a builder and a painter. How could they exist without it? Same goes with creation. Creation is proof there is a Creator. Logic tells us it cannot exist without one. If a mere building needs a builder, how much more does an intricate universe need a creator?

Wow!!! What an explanation? So simple?? You just enlightened my mind. So long I was explaining the very same thing to Biowza, the hard way.

Thanks for your explanation.

Webster defines science as "possession of knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding".

I am a scientist by education and trade (meteorologist), and as such have studied many books ranging from astronomy to geology to physics etc. The one book that I have found that has possessed me with the most knowledge; and has done the most to rid me of "ignorance and misunderstanding" is God's Holy Bible.

Read God's Holy Bible with an open heart and mind and pray for Jesus to save you. Jesus saved a hard case like me, He can also save you.

We as Christians should pray for Biowza that his eye's will be opened and that he will obtain true knowledge.

Very clear and concise explanation.

Thank you and God bless you sister

This thread shows an urgency to pray for lost souls.

**I pray and wish that Biowza's heart and others like him in similar situations will be softened and opened to receive the love of Jesus...In His Holy name...Amen**

This site is named talkjesus, Biowza, not talkevolution.
Please, in the name of Jesus, take a hike and have a good life.

That is not very nice. That is not how we should be treating non-believers. We should be seeking and saving the lost like Jesus did, not telling them to take a "hike".

How humble of you. God bless you!

Wonderful explanation, brother. But, many will argue, well who created God?...I wish they could hear themselves ask this question, who can create the Creator? Who can make the eternal? Just how is that possible? We were born with the knowledge of God in our hearts, and for people to say there is no God, it is just them trying to deny that He does exist, and He's going to judge them for their evils.

So many people are being decieved by the devil, we're so caught up on worldly things! So much that we would do anything to gain more money to put in our pockets. Satan has put a price tag on everything in this life, when God gives everything He has to us freely. People are just too blinded to see, I just pray that many more come to Him before it is too late.

I think the most powerfull arguements against athiesm lies in the very origin of life and matter, not the processes. First of all even if a black hole explains where the matter for our universe came from where did the matter in the black hole come from? Did the extreme gravity fo the black hole simply force matter into existance from nothing? It had to be created.

Aside from the evolution debate where did this first cell come from? The so called thoeries for this seem more like guesses. The "thoery" or guess that was presented to me in college biology was weak at best. It has been a couple of years since then but I think the general idea of the guess, sorry "thoery" was that a loose agregate of molecules and elements formed together in a sphere shape (which can be replicated), and with an enourmous jolt of electricity (from lightning) a living cell came to life. I think an attempt was made to do this but alas nothing sprang to life. There may be better thoerys to this but I am sure they are all weak at best.

Where did the DNA of these first cells come from? Even the simplest living things have DNA. More importantly how did the complex information in this DNA become encoded there in the first place.

This is all kind of like the "what came first the chicken or the egg saying". Our wordly minds simply cannot grasp how everything first came into existance. The answer lies outside the realm of our physical reality in a different dimension perhaps; and in that dimension or dimensions beyond that is the resting place of GOD.

I'm sure there are some small holes that are in my arguement that can be exploited against me, but the underlying truth of my arguement is absolute. Just my 2 cents.