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01-21-08, 11:48 PM

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I have no doubt that we all believe that what we know is truth and given of GOd but we must be weary that it is totally possible that we are wrong thats all im saying.
I agree with this of course, the problem with lots of folks is they are so dead set in their religious theories ( and that is what they really are theories) even when someone presents unquestionable Biblical evidence that undeniably proves their theories to be completely wrong they STILL refuse to repent from teaching, supporting and defendingnthose lies.

We all should have a teachable spirit, but many Christians who profess to have a teachable spirit do not.

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Yes we can only rely on what we have studied in prayer and what we know to be true from our own studies and we should but we should always be open to the fact that we in our human state can make incorrect judgments.
Again I agree with you, but the sad thing is in too many cases this is not always happens.

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I know a lady who has started comming to our church and she used to be penticostal and GOd showed her in dreams some errores. yet she had a relationship with GOd for years before that. sometimes GOd does not show us our errors because we at that time may not be able to take it.
Dreams sometimes can be very dangerous.

Not every spirit that enters into our dreams is a spirit that has been sent to us from God, we must always remember that the devil can also cause himself to appear to us as an Angel of light so if I were in a similiar circumstance I would be very prayerfully cautious before statintg emphatically that the dream had actually come from God.

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I agree we should hold to what we know and have studied but always be mindful that even our most sacredly held truths can sometimes be corrected by our Father in heaven. this is why we must be humble and teachable before the Lord.
The Holy Ghost must always be our one primarily essential Spiritual guide and teacher in all that we do and say as servants of Jesus Christ.

Be teachable yes, but we must be always be prepared and willing at all times to sit at the feet of the master teacher, the Holy Ghost.

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My whole point is even though we believe that we are right in what we teach does not mean we go around denouncing all othere faiths because in truth we no not if we are denouncing GOds truth in some form and GOd has His people in all walks of life and they will be lead to truth by GOd and we hinder that process by putting every other faith in a bad light. although its one thing to say everyone else is wrongful stop. than to say I believe I have found GOd and His truth. blessings I hope this was clear.
We must be ready to warn ofm any false teaching that may arise in the body of Christ especially those false doctrines which may eventually result in the eternal harm of those who may be taught those lies.

As an example I am very adamantly opposed to the doctrine of Eternal Security, not because I am not confident that God is able, to keep me, or that I am not confident that the blood of jesus Christ was sufficient to pay for my salvation, I am very confident of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and am VERY confident in Gods eternal faithfulness.

BUT man CAN and very often does throw away his salvation BY choosing to sin, and no one sins accidently we do it intentionally.

There are aslo other doctrinal points that I am opposed to, but as I have said many times before I am willing to prayerfully read and thoroughly investigate and evaluate sound Biblical evidence to see if the things I am opposed to are in fact Scripturally sound, or if the things that I believe are not.

And If I am proven by this Bilical evidence to be wrong in either case I am also willing to repent......
   
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01-22-08, 01:44 AM

I understand what you are saying gotime, we mustn't think we know everything yes, because we don't and no matter how old we are we still have a lot to learn. But there is still only one truth, and what if I believe I know something to be that truth? What if I believe God wants me to tell others about that truth? Telling someone that truth would mean that what they believe isn't true. God uses us to teach each other too, the Holy Spirit how ever will guide us into all truth.

John 8:31,32 "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

John 16:13 "But when he, the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth."


We also can't sit back and let everyone be wrong in their ways, especially those that think they are living for Christ, but are not. If we know something it is our duty to tell them otherwise their blood is on our hands. Would you not warn a blind man of a car coming when he is trying to cross the road? Or a child you see getting too close to the edge of a pool? If something goes wrong, you will feel guilty. Same on judgment day. When God says, "I told you the truth and you didn't tell others who are now in hell".

I always pray in every situation that God will convict me if I'm wrong and that He will show me the truth no matter what. I pray that God will show me my errors daily especially after making a post or telling someone what I believe to be true and I have no doubt that God will show me if I'm wrong and if He doesn't then I know that I was listening to Him and not myself.

I believe I am teachable and humble before the Lord, but I must also be preach His word, in season and out of season to the ends of the earth. To believers and non-believers alike. We all have a lot to learn and time is running out.

So I agree with you that we should be teachable but we should still teach. And teaching other denominations or people about other denominations is not denouncing them - it is educating them.

Romans 10:14-15 " How then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, 'How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!'"

You see Paul was confident that he was speaking the truth he didn't doubt what the Holy Spirit was telling him, yet he was always humble before the Lord.

He said: Romans 9:1 "I speak the truth in Christ - I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit - I have great sorrow and increasing anguish in my heart."


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01-22-08, 07:02 AM

God confirms what is His Word

Mark 16:20
And they went forth, and preached every where,
the Lord working with them, and confirming the word
with signs following.
Amen.

1Cor 2:3-5
And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom,
but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men,
but in the power of God.

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01-22-08, 08:59 AM

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The contemporary church isn't necessarily unbiblical, but they are lacking in many areas which are misleading millions of people. They choose to teach the doctrines that suit them and leave out the most vital parts. It has become more man-centered and less Biblical. Therefore what they are teaching is wrong and I know this because I believe I know the truth, I believe it has been revealed to me through the Holy Spirit and if I don't believe it is so then I would (in my mind) be calling God a liar.

It sounds complicated because it is complicated to explain so I hope you got that. In short, if we didn't believe what we believed in then in essence we never really believed it in the first place. Make sense?
George Barna called this "A biblical" in his book "Revolution".
   
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George Barna called this "A biblical" in his book "Revolution".
Don't know George Barna and haven't read his book. Please can you elobrate?


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Don't know George Barna and haven't read his book. Please can you elobrate?
an excerpt taken from "Revolution" by George Barna

There is nothing inherently wrong with being involved in a local church. But realize that being part of a group that calls itself a "church" does not make you saved, holy, righteous, or godly any more than being in Yankee Stadium makes you a professional baseball player. Participating in church-based activities does not necessarily draw you closer to god or prepare you for a life that satifies Him or enhances your existence. Being a member of a congregation does not make you spiritually righteous any more than being a member of the Democratic Party makes you a liberal wing nut.

Being in a right relationship with God and His people is what matters. Scripture teaches us that devoting your life to loving God with all your heart, mind, strength, and soul is what honors Him. Being part of a local church may facilitate that. Or it may not.

Sadly, many people will label this view "blasphemy". However, you should realize that the bible neither describes nor promotes the local church as we know it today. Many centuries ago relgious leaders created the prevalent form of "church" that is so widespread in our society to help people be better followers of Christ. But the local church many have come to cherish- the services, offices, programs, buildings, ceremonies- is either biblical nor unbiblical. It is abiblical- that is, such an organization is not addressed in the Bible.
   
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However, you should realize that the bible neither describes nor promotes the local church as we know it today.

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an excerpt taken from "Revolution" by George Barna

There is nothing inherently wrong with being involved in a local church. But realize that being part of a group that calls itself a "church" does not make you saved, holy, righteous, or godly any more than being in Yankee Stadium makes you a professional baseball player. Participating in church-based activities does not necessarily draw you closer to god or prepare you for a life that satifies Him or enhances your existence. Being a member of a congregation does not make you spiritually righteous any more than being a member of the Democratic Party makes you a liberal wing nut.

Being in a right relationship with God and His people is what matters. Scripture teaches us that devoting your life to loving God with all your heart, mind, strength, and soul is what honors Him. Being part of a local church may facilitate that. Or it may not.

Sadly, many people will label this view "blasphemy". However, you should realize that the bible neither describes nor promotes the local church as we know it today. Many centuries ago relgious leaders created the prevalent form of "church" that is so widespread in our society to help people be better followers of Christ. But the local church many have come to cherish- the services, offices, programs, buildings, ceremonies- is either biblical nor unbiblical. It is abiblical- that is, such an organization is not addressed in the Bible.

Seems like this man has a head on his shoulders. He has pretty much said a lot of what I've been trying to say.

Don't know much about him so I can't speak for anything other than what you've quoted here.

Thanx


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quantify and regulate - 08-06-08, 05:33 AM

I qoute from lyrics by Winterborne Inquest:

"did the devil think it funny
could the devil even see
when Jesus held my hand
as the church was failing me..."

This thing that passes for church in this world nearly destroyed my life on more than one occasion.
I cherish to this day a sacred hate for the need to quantify and regulate a relationship between man and God.
   
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response to Organized - 08-14-08, 09:56 AM

I agree that many churches have made themselves like a country club or social club, and with their charisma they project Christ as a product, with attractive new ideas in order to impress and flatter people, which way is driven by secular principles and practices, that has no lot in Christ. Nevertheless, I would say that as the original Churches were for the most part, “in the Church that is in their house”, was yet organized to the extent, that an orderly discussion was conducted, even I´m sure, when there was debates of an issue; but what I loved about the original Churches was, that most often they lasted all the day long, because fellowship was that important to them at that time, whereas now, for some unknown reason, fellowships limit themselves to an hour or so; but it seems to me that it ought to be the priority in every professing Christians life, and our secular matters should have to wait behind Christ in all things! Churches in someones house is intimate, and surely brings fellowship close in each others mutual faith. Our Lord drew large crowds, and so did the Apostles, yet when they dispersed, they would always have a Church fellowship in their house.
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