I think that chapter 8 of Daniel has been fulfilled and things pertaining to that period of time has been recorded in history. By studing history the things mentioned in this chapter are found even to the host of heaven and the stars being cast to the ground. I Think the knowledge of this prophecy can be gained by study. I still am looking for comment on
bible study I posted earlier in this thread.
Da 8:10
And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

I told of this and other things in the bible study I posted in this thread a few days ago.

I do agree with you in that this isn't the Abonimation of Desolation that our Lord spoke of in Matthew 24. That will happen during the reign of the antichrist.

If you are asking me about predestination, the only thing I believe is that we are predestined to heaven or hell but the choice of which one is for the individual to decide.

Jos 24:15
¶ And if it seem evil unto you to serve the
LORD, choose you this day whom ye will
serve; whether the gods which your
fathers served that were on the other side
of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites,
in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and
my house, we will serve the LORD.

We have to choose.

There is no doubt that Daniel 8 speaks about Alexander the Great and
Antiochus Epiphanes, but I also believe that the Holy Spirit parallels what happened in that event to how the rise of the anti-christ kingdom will come about.

Nation shall rise against nation

One shall be conquering and to conquer, winning the war.

Daniel 8:8
8.Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven.

And shall reign over the kings of the earth.
There will be famine.
Disease and earthquakes.
There will be persecution of the saints.(Matthew 24)

Then the Lion, the Bear, the Leopard, and the beast with the ten horns rise from the sea. (Revelation 13)

The ten horns burn that great city that reigns over the kings of the earth with fire.
Revlelation 17

no doubt Daniel has great prophesy.

I am off tonight to a Study/Talk in church delving into the book of Revelations.
so I will come back with notes, God willing.

I have something for you to read that is interesting, tell me what you think? Read Daniel chapter 11 and 12 in their context, and remember they are the same vision, there was no such thing as chapter and verse then. Whats your thoughts on this?

God bless

Hi Fellowservant, I believe the prophecy to be in the same style, using Alexander and Antiochus as an example historically to the rise of the anti-christ, some parts of Daniel 11 are historically accurate concerning Antiochus, yet other verses obviously describe the anti-christ.

For instance in verse 23

Daniel 11:23
23."And after the league is made with him he shall act deceitfully, for he shall come up and become strong with a small number of people.

This would indicate to me, that the ten horns are not ten kingdoms, but actually ten people that rise up and seize the fourth kingdom.
The anti-christ and his nine followers.

This can be verified.

Revelation 17:12
12.And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

This is getting very interesting: I think I will sit back and learn.
May our Lord bless.

Yes i see this as well somewhat, the image that Nebuchadnezzar seen in a dream was interpreted by Daniel, ive noticed that only the feet and ten toes were hit by the stone, that was cut out of a mountain without hands, (Ie Christ?) but not the rest of the image. And the legs of iron according to some was the Roman Empire. Which leads me to believe that this last one, is not the Roman Empire, but came somehow from it. We call it the ten toed Kingdom of Daniel, agree? But it doesn't really matter, there will be these ten kings, just before the stone hits this images feet and fills the whole earth. Then God sets up a kingdom that will last forever. Daniel chapter 2



Then there are seven kings according to the angel of revelation, but at the time of John, five had fallen, one was, the other was not yet come, and when he did come he didnt last long, and so on. And the last one the eighth one, was of the seven, but went into perdition. Paul mentions a son of perdition, revelation mentions one as well. (This eighth King). Therefore i believe this is the anti-christ (man of sin), as it says he was, and is not, but yet is. A resurrected man (King), it also says he had a deadly wound by a sword, but did live.

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

So ive come to the conclusion that the beast of revelation is going to be a resurrected man ( King of old) because of the above scriptures. The false prophet is also called a beast in revelation as well. This is why when men see him (the first beast) they say who is like the beast, who can make war with him. As he will likely be immortal, and very powerful, almost like Christ after his resurrection. But thats my interpretation as i see it so far. Remember this beast is not a kingdom, he has one, and he also has a seat in it.

Rev 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

This will be a great deception on men who loved not the truth, as Paul says concerning this in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12


But this is just my interpretation, always leave room for another one, as long as it makes sense and doesn't contradict scripture.


God bless

Yes, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit.
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Five have fallen:
Julius Caesar
Augustus
Tiberius
Caligula
Claudius

One is:
Nero

And one is to come:
anti-christ

And the eighth?
Many scholars have speculated about whom this eight king is, according to the word, the eighth king is of the seven kings.
And his number is 666.
Using the Hebrew gematria, which is the number system of the Hebrew language, Nero is only one of the seven that equates to 666.

Another interesting thing the Lord showed me, was in Daniel 9, it speaks of the prince of the people destroying the city and the temple.


Daniel 9:26-27
26."And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, and till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27.Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate."

Here we have the prince of the people, after Messiah has been cut off, which after the resurrection of our precious Lord was Nero, but then in the next verse he makes a covenant for 7 years but then engages in the abomination of desolation after 3 1/2 years.

Historically, Nero did not do this, so it must be speaking of a future king.


Daniel 7:7-8
7."After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.
8."I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.


Revelation 13:3
3.And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

If we were to lay all of this on the table it becomes apparent that the ten kings rise up to power, they destroy Harlot Babylon, three of the kings conspire to kill the anti-christ, realizing the guy is out of his mind, Satan calls Nero from the pit of hell to take over the anti-christs body and resume his destruction, then the three conspiritors are put to death.

Then the time of Jacobs trouble begins.

Remember:

Daniel 9:24
24."Seventy weeks(Shib' iym Shabua' - Figuratively Seventy Seven) are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.

Daniel 9:24 and 9:25 are actually two prophecies that both depict when our Lord Jesus will be riding through Jerusalem on an Equine.

We do not know the DAY or the HOUR, but brothers and sisters we are VERY close.

I see we are basicly on the same page brother Rog. Its interesting stuff, and it can't be interpreted, unless its interpreted as a whole. What i mean is, all of scripture needs to be used to come to a good conclusion on these prophecies. Not just the book of revelation.

Keep up the good work brother, you as well sunnyd:)

God bless