Quite my point actually, that such things needs must be interpreted in consonance with the Word. While you're right about Ezekiel's wheels being living (or at least used by living things, I had trouble parsing that out) it seems as though Ezekiel gains knoledge of that through revelation. There seems to be similarity in the description of wheels in the sky that turn without any inertia. I'm not really going anywhere with that, but it does kinda make you wonder that if perhaps some UFO sightings are a common event that a current focus on science makes society interpret as aliens as opposed to a spiritual event.

Quite my point actually, that such things needs must be interpreted in consonance with the Word.

Sorry, I did not mean to misinterpret you. We agree then.

but it does kinda make you wonder that if perhaps some UFO sightings are a common event that a current focus on science makes society interpret as aliens as opposed to a spiritual event.

This is the idea that definitely runs rampant not in just secular circles, but has seeped into Christian circles. You put it well saying it is interpretted according to science. We as Christians have a higher authority than "scientific knowledge" that we must look to.

Hisalone

This thread isn't that important really, enough about it right?

One last thing I'd like to say, IF there are aliens, we'd have heard about them as facts by now, if they are way too smarter and too developed, they'd have made it clear they exist, I mean, it's year 2008! How long would it take? If it was real, it would have showed more. (Just a thought though)
God bless us all.

It seems like there's only one side of the discussion being presented here, so I thought I'd share my thoughts on a different and logical point of view.

Originally Posted by Nermeen+

Yes, there are many strange and unexplainable things that take place. There is no reason, though, to attribute these phenomena to aliens or UFOs. If there is a discernable cause to these supposed events, it is likely spiritual, and more specifically, demonic in origin

There is also no reason to attribute these phenomena to spiritual or demonic origin. To claim aliens or UFOs are of spiritual or demonic origin is just as improbable as aliens being intelligent beings from another planet.

Originally Posted by Rog

Since most of secular society is longing to find life on other planets so to prove the existence of evolution

A very unfair comment. Scientists don't need to find life on another planet to prove the existence of evolution. There is enough evidence gathered from astronomy, embryology, geology, homology, fossils (the list goes on) in which all point to the same conclusion: evolution.

Originally Posted by Nermeen+

We shouldn't believe anything the Pope says, it's not law, so just don't even consider it

I suppose the Catholic religion needs some revising then?

Originally Posted by Nermeen+

so many Christians are following these scientists, they believe in whatever they're told and they even argue about it with whatever they have heard

And even more Christians are following the Bible, believing whatever they're told about religion. I want to point out that anyone who does not doubt, ask questions, research, and weigh the facts (and I mean facts, not scripture) is just as in the dark as the next.

Originally Posted by Chad

Why let the mind wander outside Scripture when it comes to discussing GOD's creation? What GOD told us in the Word is what GOD wanted us to know here, now. We should not start wondering off to realms beyond what GOD already told us about in the Word.

This is one of the most depressing comments. One of the reasons why Christianity faded in my life was because of the restrictions it had on my subconscious mind. The thought of believing I'd have a perfect life when I die just made this life on earth now seem unimportant. I disagree now. This life is a beautiful one, and everyone needs to make the most of it. I believe you only live once, and you need to make the most of it. Be adventurous and ponder the unknown. Explore everything. Never stop your search for the truth.

Originally Posted by Chad

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Of all the discoveries made by NASA since the 50's, (literally "billions of galaxies"), still no life found outside Earth.

These billions of galaxies your are talking about are through the view of telescopes. To find life, we're not going to simply find it by looking lightyears away through a lens. That's like trying to spot an electron on Earth from Pluto. If we're going to find life on other planets, we're going to have to send physical machines to explore and report findings.

Originally Posted by Nermeen+

If it was real, it would have showed more

Exactly. Follow the evidence presented.

My stance on UFOs and aliens is open minded. I'm simply going to favor the side with more evidence. So far, haven't seen much evidence. Therefore, I am only open to the possibility of life outside of our solar system due to the vastness of our universe.

Sorry, excuse my lack of intelligence, but are you saying that you're so proud that there isn't the tinest smallest chance that you could be wrong?

I suppose the Catholic religion needs some revising then?

Oh Yeah, I do! You're saying we are narrow minded because we don't believe in ET but you're really open minded but you mind revising as you say?

Originally Posted by Nermeen+
so many Christians are following these scientists, they believe in whatever they're told and they even argue about it with whatever they have heard

Weren't those the scientists that believed that the earth was flat? Aren't those the scientists that also support abortion, nuclear bombs and so much more?

Orginally posted by Chad
Why let the mind wander outside Scripture when it comes to discussing GOD's creation? What GOD told us in the Word is what GOD wanted us to know here, now. We should not start wondering off to realms beyond what GOD already told us about in the Word.

This is one of the most depressing comments. One of the reasons why Christianity faded in my life was because of the restrictions it had on my subconscious mind. The thought of believing I'd have a perfect life when I die just made this life on earth now seem unimportant. I disagree now. This life is a beautiful one, and everyone needs to make the most of it. I believe you only live once, and you need to make the most of it. Be adventurous and ponder the unknown. Explore everything. Never stop your search for the truth.

With all do respect here, your post is very depressing in fact.
The Bible doesn't change, it's impossible that God lies or changes Himself.
We don't believe in any restrictions, we all have lives by the way.

Can you honestly have a happy life on earth? You don't seem that happy to start with.
We believe that the best is yet to come, to live your life to the fullest, means that you become so in love with this world, and God hates that, He should be glorified in all our actions, Will you glorify Him by lets say, going to a club and drinking and dancing?

If your Christian life has faded, think more about what was the cause(That'll be you BTW).
Don't blame it on anyone else, please.

Originally Posted by Redpill

It seems like there's only one side of the discussion being presented here, so I thought I'd share my thoughts on a different and logical point of view.

- your thoughts and opinions do not dictate truth, so opinions do not matter

There is also no reason to attribute these phenomena to spiritual or demonic origin. To claim aliens or UFOs are of spiritual or demonic origin is just as improbable as aliens being intelligent beings from another planet.

- this is a Christian site. We go by what Scripture says, not men

A very unfair comment. Scientists don't need to find life on another planet to prove the existence of evolution. There is enough evidence gathered from astronomy, embryology, geology, homology, fossils (the list goes on) in which all point to the same conclusion: evolution.

- is it so? what about the thousands of artifacts proving the Holy Bible and many prophecies fulfilled since over 2,000 years ago?

I suppose the Catholic religion needs some revising then?

- yes it does, do you have a problem with this truth?

And even more Christians are following the Bible, believing whatever they're told about religion. I want to point out that anyone who does not doubt, ask questions, research, and weigh the facts (and I mean facts, not scripture) is just as in the dark as the next.

- clueless opinion, so for the harshness but I fight fire with fire, per se. You assume this or that about others {stereotype} and you assume what others should or should not do and feel, then your the one in darkness. Speak for yourself.

This is one of the most depressing comments. One of the reasons why Christianity faded in my life was because of the restrictions it had on my subconscious mind. The thought of believing I'd have a perfect life when I die just made this life on earth now seem unimportant. I disagree now. This life is a beautiful one, and everyone needs to make the most of it. I believe you only live once, and you need to make the most of it. Be adventurous and ponder the unknown. Explore everything. Never stop your search for the truth.

- I suggest you explore Jesus before telling others what to explore. I know for a fact that your blaming Christianity for "restrictions" is a complete lie, a bogus comment that holds no water whatsoever. Your being dishonest. Its your hardened heart / ignorance that would have caused this "fade" in your life.

These billions of galaxies your are talking about are through the view of telescopes. To find life, we're not going to simply find it by looking lightyears away through a lens. That's like trying to spot an electron on Earth from Pluto. If we're going to find life on other planets, we're going to have to send physical machines to explore and report findings.

- what book are you reading?

Exactly. Follow the evidence presented.

- actually, that applies to you also in case you did not pick up on that. Evidence proves facts. You ignored facts on the Bible and who Jesus is.

My stance on UFOs and aliens is open minded. I'm simply going to favor the side with more evidence. So far, haven't seen much evidence. Therefore, I am only open to the possibility of life outside of our solar system due to the vastness of our universe.

- Open minded to possible facts or "theories" is less powerful than absolute truth

You come here with premeditated "wisdom of men" instead of GOD's. No member introduction, just shoot with opinions comments and your own understanding. Nothing new on this block.

Read this:
http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study...-catholic.html

I challenge you to dispute any of these threads:
Evidence, Prophecy, Facts - Talk Jesus

Let's see exactly how "open minded" you are to evidence. I've challenged dozens the past few months to try to dispute those. They respond in complete silence. Truth silences opinions fast.

Wow, I was not hoping for such a defensive response. I just wanted to discuss the other side as I am constantly seeking for the truth. How can one find the truth if he/she only examines one side? Your responses has really turned me away. I'm just going to clear a few things in my own defense.

1. I am not saying anyone here is narrow minded. My mother is a SDA Christian and my girlfriend is a Catholic. I was once a Christian who was baptised. I respect your belief and I hope you can do the same towards me.

2. I'm not blaming Chad on this forum for my disbelief in Christianity, I was merely using his words as an example of what has happened in my life. I have no one to blame, I am happy and thankful I no longer believe in a God.

3. "what about the thousands of artifacts proving the Holy Bible and many prophecies fulfilled since over 2,000 years ago?" What about it? It doesn't change the evidence towards evolution.

4. "I suppose the Catholic religion needs some revising then?" This was a serious question. I'm still learning about Catholicism. I have no problem with this truth. If I were a Catholic, I most definately would.

5. "I suggest you explore Jesus before telling others what to explore." I've done plenty of that and I still continue today. I've spent 18 years of my life dedicated to the Bible. Why do you assume I haven't?

6. "what book are you reading?" You don't need to read a book to know you can't find life on another planet by looking though a telescope.

7. "No member introduction, just shoot with opinions comments and your own understanding." I was going to introduce myself officially in the forum tonight. I had started reading the topic on UFO's, it kept my interest and I kept on reading. I had to post my response here first after I read everyone's comments.



During my time as a Christian, I would attend church services as usual and listen to the sermons. I'd just take in whatever was being preached about. I was 100% Christian and listened with Christian ears. Gradually I started to listen with unbiased ears. I listened the way my non-religious friends would have listened if I brought them to my church.

I wanted everyone here to listen to what I had to say with unbiased ears as well. Listen to what I said as if you were your non-religious friend. Wouldn't you want a Hindu, Buddhist, etc. to listen to what you had to say about your religion with unbiased ears?

Originally Posted by Redpill

Wow, I was not hoping for such a defensive response. I just wanted to discuss the other side as I am constantly seeking for the truth. How can one find the truth if he/she only examines one side? Your responses has really turned me away. I'm just going to clear a few things in my own defense.

1. I am not saying anyone here is narrow minded. My mother is a SDA Christian and my girlfriend is a Catholic. I was once a Christian who was baptised. I respect your belief and I hope you can do the same towards me.

2. I'm not blaming Chad on this forum for my disbelief in Christianity, I was merely using his words as an example of what has happened in my life. I have no one to blame, I am happy and thankful I no longer believe in a God.

3. "what about the thousands of artifacts proving the Holy Bible and many prophecies fulfilled since over 2,000 years ago?" What about it? It doesn't change the evidence towards evolution.

4. "I suppose the Catholic religion needs some revising then?" This was a serious question. I'm still learning about Catholicism. I have no problem with this truth. If I were a Catholic, I most definately would.

5. "I suggest you explore Jesus before telling others what to explore." I've done plenty of that and I still continue today. I've spent 18 years of my life dedicated to the Bible. Why do you assume I haven't?

6. "what book are you reading?" You don't need to read a book to know you can't find life on another planet by looking though a telescope.

7. "No member introduction, just shoot with opinions comments and your own understanding." I was going to introduce myself officially in the forum tonight. I had started reading the topic on UFO's, it kept my interest and I kept on reading. I had to post my response here first after I read everyone's comments.



During my time as a Christian, I would attend church services as usual and listen to the sermons. I'd just take in whatever was being preached about. I was 100% Christian and listened with Christian ears. Gradually I started to listen with unbiased ears. I listened the way my non-religious friends would have listened if I brought them to my church.

I wanted everyone here to listen to what I had to say with unbiased ears as well. Listen to what I said as if you were your non-religious friend. Wouldn't you want a Hindu, Buddhist, etc. to listen to what you had to say about your religion with unbiased ears?

What about it? It doesn't change the evidence towards evolution.

Is that so? So your telling me proof that GOD created humanity and everything that is created is by Him, does not dispute the "theory" of evolution that man evolved from the monkey species? I'd have to say you are far wrong on this.

Your responses has really turned me away.

Again, blaming others for your turning away from GOD, Christianity and already this site. Always blaming others it seems. What about you?

I've spent 18 years of my life dedicated to the Bible. Why do you assume I haven't?

I was 100% Christian and listened with Christian ears.

Well, lets see. 18 years "dedicated" to the Bible, coming here and let's quote you on the reason (of many):

I am happy and thankful I no longer believe in a God.

Well isn't that disgusting. If your so "thankful" you do not believe in GOD, WHO are you thanking? Why are you here then? How on earth are you "seeking truth" as you claim, yet coming here thanking [insert mystery audience] because you do NOT believe in GOD after "dedicated to the bible for 18 years"???

You are dishonest and your blaming the world for your problems. Do you know who truly is biased here? It would be you. Call us harsh or whatever you'd like to excuse yourself from - but GOD is not mocked no matter how hard you try to push Him away.

If I were you, I'd think very hard and deep from now on before you go thanking no one that you no longer believe in GOD after 18 years of dedicating yourself to the Bible.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we decieve ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Romans 6:23 -- For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Chad, I thank you from my heart for backing this up, I couldn't have said it ny better, and I'm glad cause you really made my day. God bless you so much brother

Redpill, we are not defensive, but we get upset when someone denies what is real, maybe you didn't know the facts and God judges by the amount of knowledge you have.

Trust me, we all read well and think before writing anything, I want you to care less about Aliens and care more about God, cause really it's all about Him at the end of the day, trust your Bible, it's not a fairytale.

Don't defend something you know very little about, that wouldn't be so wise, right?

the Catholic church has so much wrongs in it, and I want to tell you my family is part Catholic and Orthodox cause everyone in Egypt are either Catholic or Orthodox, and I argue with my family and talk about the facts, not my opinion, not others opinions,

I won't agree with anyone just because they're my friends, born again Christians have no restrictions, on the other hand, Catholics do, trust me, they do, all their traditions and customes and I can go forever.

We simply have a bond, a relationship with God through Jesus Christ, who you should love more than everything, more than aliens who are green

I don't 'believe' in them no. But, I'm OPEN to the fact that people could be seeing what they claim, I just don't think they're real UFO's or aliens. I think it's demons trying to fool us and make us think that, just like I believe they disguise themselves as 'ghosts' to mislead people, just like those spiritists think they're receiving word from the people passed on.

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4

"There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves" Luke 21:25

'And also after that' does that mean they were or ARE still in the world? It's open for study of course, but I think it could be something along those lines. So, if people think they're seeing aliens, it could be the nephilim? And I know it said they were giants, but the firmament changed after the flood, so they could be the same size, or different to us. Who knows honestly! Soon enough we'll know more though, so only time will tell.