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    The Bible
    is the written text done by men ( whom God chose) to get it in different languages and so on.
    But the Word of God is hidden in the texts which only the Spirit of God will reveal to those who love God.


    1 Corinthians 2:9-10


    "But as it is written:
    "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him. But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God."

    The Bible and the Word of God are two different things!


    God bless you
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    The study of scriptural context is a tribute to the consistency of God, who cannot lie (contradict Himself). Believing this to be true of God's nature means that all the evidence of God's works and interventions must be reconciled together to make manifest an unchanging righteousness in God. God, as a God of righteous Judgment, cannot choose something out of partiality and favoritism (have respect of persons in judgment, as He taught man not to do), it must be by judgment and consistant in its fairness. However this level of righteous judgment may come naturally to God but not to us. Many things proven to line up in scripture are proven true only after a drastic move of God which took the people by surprise (not unlike the prophecies of the Messiah, fulfilled in Christ, crucified for blasphemy!). There is an arrogance in assuming the full intent of God is fathomed by man; the things which "proceeded forth and came from God" are "Spiritualy discrened," for "God is a Spirit!" The power of God, is His ability to communicate those things to us through His Word, made manifest in the flesh through Jesus Christ. "Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? ...Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me."

    "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

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    Jesus is declared not only to be the Son, but also a Prince, who is to receive a kingdom. The Kingdom is given to Him by His Father, as a reward for His self sacrifice. In human terms the prince of a King is a fully fledged member of the royal family, an heir to the throne, thus making him of the same essence as the father, the king, yet not yet of equal authority. In Jesus case however, all authority was given to Jesus as a gift in order for Him to carry out His mission, prior to His receiving of the kingdom. As an aside, it is of great wonder that we, as adopted children, are co-heirs with Christ and will rule with Him. What a privilege!

    As far as our redemption is concerned, it was essential that One, with equal authority and of the same essence of the Father, be sacrificed on our behalf, for only One greater than the law, that is the giver of the law, can atone for its transgression, the law being eternal and a transcript of the character of the law-maker. No created being could atone for the transgression of the law, for they must all be subject to that same law. Only One above the law could satisfy its demands. A divine Person, ie Christ.

    I can understand the confusion of some like Bro Mike, who see in the scriptures, correctly, a clear distinction between He who is described as God, and the Son of God, Jesus. This clear distinction, and our recognition of it, is a salvific matter. However, the inability to reconcile that distinction with the idea that the Son is equally divine with the Father, making both distinct persons at the same time 'God', is understandable. After all, this distinction, yet at the same time indivisibility, has been called a mystery since time began.

    While there are several instances of Jesus' claim to divinity, one that stands out for me was His words to the Samaritan woman at the well.
    In His desire to give her a true direction for her faith and worship, Jesus said:
    "I am the resurrection and the Life." In Christ is LIFE, original, unborrowed, underived. Only God is truly and in every sense immortal. We can lay claim to immortality, but only in so much as it is a gift. In Christ, it is an integral part of His nature. "He that hath the Son hath LIFE."
    The divinity, and the eternalness or immortality of Christ is the believers assurance of eternity, and his hope of a resurrection.

    Another example, mentioned previously, which cannot be ignored, is Jesus clear and utterly profound statement to the gathered members of the rulers and common folk alike, "Before Abraham was, I AM." This name of God was given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence. Jesus was here claiming this name as His own. He was claiming to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel:

    Ps 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
    Ps 103:17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children’s children;
    Ps 106:48 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD.
    Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


    Finally, I will cite the following, and let all readers draw their own conclusions.

    Re 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
    Re 1:11, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
    17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
    18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    Re 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
    Re 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


    Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
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    Question. Who did John the Baptist in Matthew 3:3 come in the wilderness preaching of to come? Jesus, and the following verses tell us that Jesus is Jehovah.

    Matthew 3:3. "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah, you people."

    Isaiah 40:3. "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

    Isaiah 43:10-11. ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior."

    Acts 4:12. Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

    Isaiah 43:11 said there was no savior beside Jehovah, and this verse proclaims Jesus as that savior.

    Is only Jesus God? NO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans 8.28 View Post
    Question. Who did John the Baptist in Matthew 3:3 come in the wilderness preaching of to come? Jesus, and the following verses tell us that Jesus is Jehovah.

    Matthew 3:3. "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah, you people."

    Isaiah 40:3. "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

    Isaiah 43:10-11. ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior."

    Acts 4:12. Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

    Isaiah 43:11 said there was no savior beside Jehovah, and this verse proclaims Jesus as that savior.

    Is only Jesus God? NO!

    Let us look at what Phil 2:9-10 says :

    "9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,..."

    All the names of the Lord in the Old Testament such as Jehovah Jirah, Jehovah-Nissi, Jehovah Rapha and so forth have been condensed into ONE name : JESUS
    The name JESUS is above every name.
    Jesus is the Lord who was in the Old Testment. He is the same Lord who has been before the foundations of the world and always be forever more!
    It is also good to note that throughout the New Testament none of these other names of the Lord are mentioned.

    Therefore, yes Jesus is the only God.

    God bless you
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    Well, Proverbs 8 speaks about the pre-incarnate spirit of Jesus, who is the word of God made flesh.

    Pro 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
    Pro 8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
    Pro 8:3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
    Pro 8:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
    Pro 8:5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
    Pro 8:6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
    Pro 8:7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
    Pro 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
    Pro 8:9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
    Pro 8:10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
    Pro 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
    Pro 8:12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
    Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
    Pro 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
    Pro 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
    Pro 8:16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
    Pro 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
    Pro 8:18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
    Pro 8:19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
    Pro 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
    Pro 8:21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
    Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
    Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
    Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
    Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
    Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
    Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
    Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
    Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
    Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
    Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
    This passage is not talking about just some attribute of God, because would God not have possessed the attribute of wisdom even before he made the earth? How would wisdom rejoice in the terrestrial parts of the earth, or take delight in the sons of men. This is talking about something much more than some attribute that God has.

    Pro 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
    Pro 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
    Pro 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
    Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
    Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
    Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
    Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ::PreciousinChrist:: View Post

    Therefore, yes Jesus is the only God.

    God bless you
    Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (Who gave Jesus this power?)

    Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (Could this really be "Jesus saying, I am pleased with You Jesus?)

    1 Corinthians 15:27 For He (Our Father) hath put all things under His (Jesus') feet. But when He (Jesus) saith all things are put under Him (Jesus), it is manifest that He (Our Father) is excepted (God our Father is not going to be under the power of Jesus.), which did put all things under Him (Jesus).

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him (Jesus), then shall the Son (Jesus) also Himself be subject unto Him (Our Father) that put all things under Him (Jesus), that God may be all in all. (Does this really say that Jesus shall be subject to Jesus?)

    God bless you too dear sister in Jesus' name.
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    1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
    1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
    1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
    1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
    1Pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
    1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
    1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
    1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
    Jesus has a God and Father. All foreknowledge dwells with God the Father who sanctifies those through His Holy Spirit who believe that Jesus' sacrifice, his blood, is the price paid for redemption.

    Jesus is not the Highest God above all. He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is God's only begotten Son. Jesus' God and Father is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Peter, Paul, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle71 View Post
    Jesus has a God and Father. All foreknowledge dwells with God the Father who sanctifies those through His Holy Spirit who believe that Jesus' sacrifice, his blood, is the price paid for redemption.

    Jesus is not the Highest God above all. He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is God's only begotten Son. Jesus' God and Father is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Peter, Paul, etc.
    John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

    Philippians 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

    Would you agree that Jesus is our Savior? If not I'm sorry, and I've gone as far as I can with this.

    Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

    John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

    (Isaiah 43:11) I, even I, am the LORD (Jehovah); and beside me there is no saviour. (12) I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (Jehovah), that I am God.

    Acts 4:10,12) (10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. (12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    (Isaiah 40:3) The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness (John the Baptist), Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Just Who did John the Baptist prepare the way of?

    My thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle71 View Post
    Jesus is not the Highest God above all. He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is God's only begotten Son. Jesus' God and Father is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Peter, Paul, etc.
    Your statement here greatly puzzles me :"He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob". It sounds like something an old-covenant Jew, Muslim or Jehovah’s Witness would say! I will show you just a few reasons why I believe you are in error.

    John 8:58
    Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Jesus' hearers took up stones and accused Him of blasphemy when He said this. Why? Because He was calling Himself God.

    Mic 5:2
    "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting." Here is Jesus, the everlasting ruler of Israel.

    What about the incarnate language in Mal 3? Is it not talking about Jesus? If it is, it is saying that He will purify the sons of Levi. The same sons of Levi whose God was Yahweh, who said He, alone, was their Savior and that He knows no other God or Savior and gives His glory to no one else.

    Does God, the Father, give His glory to anyone else? I say He does. If not, why pray to or trust in Jesus???

    Malachi 3
    3 “Behold, I send My messenger, (John the Baptist)
    And he will prepare the way before Me.
    And the Lord, whom you seek,
    Will suddenly come to His temple, (He will incarnate and come down physically to His temple)
    Even the Messenger of the covenant,
    In whom you delight.
    Behold, He is coming,”
    Says the LORD of hosts.
    2 “But who can endure the day of His coming?
    And who can stand when He appears?
    For He is like a refiner’s fire
    And like launderers’ soap.
    3 He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver;
    He will purify the sons of Levi,
    And purge them as gold and silver,
    That they may offer to the LORD
    An offering in righteousness.

    Jesus is Emmanuel, God with us. And how does Yahweh call Himself the Alpha and Omega, and Jesus calls Himself Alpha and Omega? If Jesus isn’t God, why isn’t this blasphemy?

    Name Applied to Jehovah and to Jesus as well
    :

    Alpha and Omega --- Isaiah 44:6 / Revelation 22:13
    Lord of Lords --- Deuteronomy 10:17 / Revelation 19:16
    First and Last --- Isaiah 48:12 / Revelation 22:13
    King of Kings and Lord of Lords --- Isaiah 43:15 / Revelation 17:14
    Husband --- Hosea 2:16 / Revelation 21:9
    Savior --- Isaiah 43:11 / Luke 2:11
    Judge --- Genesis 18:25 / 2 Timothy 4:8


    Jhn 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am [He] (He, Who?), you will die in your sins."

    Acts 9:3-6 : And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
    And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
    And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
    And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

    This verse is showing that the light that shined around Saul from heaven was Jesus! Did Jesus answer because Yahweh was not interested answering an old-covenant Jew (Saul)?

    Jesus calls Himself the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, which are names Yahweh has reserved for Himself time and again.


    I am the bread of life
    I am the Vine
    I am the light of the world
    I am the way the truth and the life

    If Yahweh is a jealous God, who doesn't give His glory to anyone else, did He miss all these things Jesus said?

    "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son" (Zech 12:10).

    Yahweh spoke those words through the prophet Zechariah, as is apparent from Zech. 12:1-10. Yahweh is speaking and uses the word ME in conjunction to being the one that gets pierced. Yet the Apostle John referred to the same Scripture (Zech 12:10) and says that it was fulfilled when Jesus was pierced on the cross by the Roman soldier's spear! Who was pierced, YHWH or Jesus?


    Yahweh : "I am God and there is no other... to Me (not Jesus) every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance. They will say of Me, 'Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength' " (Isaiah 45: 22-24) .

    Jesus : "………………at the name of Jesus every knee should bow... and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" (Philippians 2: 10-11).


    I'll continue some more on this another time, right now I need to get to bed!!
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