The early believers of Thessalonica were troubled because of the prevalent false teaching that the day of the Lord was in process .... they thought they had missed the Lord's "harpazo" action to immortalize them

Paul had discussed this issue with them before [1Thessalonians 4, 5] and so he sets the record straight by explaining that the day of the Lord had not yet come ..... he also tells them why ..... because certain conditions were not present .... the coming of the lawless one and his following [falling away]

The gathering Paul speaks of and the day of the Lord are not the same events and the Lord's immortalization of the believer [both those asleep and those living at the time] will occur first ..... and then the day of the Lord will begin abruptly with no warning given to earth dwellers

The day of the Lord is His "hour" of trial [the coming tribulation period of 2,550 days] .... and will include His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth for 1,000 years

The term "last day" used in prophetic presentation is a time period .... not just one day .... and when this is used it is always presented as "at", or "in" the last day .... not "on" the last day

This use of the preposition "at" or "in" indicates that the "last day" [time] is a time frame in which many events will take place begining with the Lord's "harpazo" action for today's believer

I have to say this seems a rather large stretch of the imagination. where do you get these things from. I have not seen anything like this in the word of God. so where?

We must learn to cast down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God; and we must rather bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. Apart from this, we are only imagining what comes to mind without the Spirit of Truth, wherein is no imagination.
As for II Thes 2:2, the Holy Spirit of Truth speaking through Paul is telling us to not be so easily shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit (i.e. another idea or concept), nor by word (i.e. promise or prediction by any man), nor by letter (i.e. some sort of official declaration, again, by man), as if they (whosoever they be) have an exclusive, that the day of Christ is at hand; and we all ought to hearken to them.

"I have to say this seems a rather large stretch of the imagination. where do you get these things from. I have not seen anything like this in the word of God. so where?"

>Read the scriptures given in the post from 1Thessalonians and 2Thessalonians ..... this is no imagination, but truth from the Lord's Word

>I would also suggest using a good bible search engine by the definition "last day" for studying what this term means and how it is used in the context of the passages of scripture that you will find

Originally Posted by Stephen1

The early believers of Thessalonica were troubled because of the prevalent false teaching that the day of the Lord was in process .... they thought they had missed the Lord's "harpazo" action to immortalize them

Howdy Stephen1!

You did a good study. I agree.

Stephen1--Paul had discussed this issue with them before [1Thessalonians 4, 5] and so he sets the record straight by explaining that the day of the Lord had not yet come ..... he also tells them why ..... because certain conditions were not present .... the coming of the lawless one and his following [falling away]

Yes, Paul did so and many Christians fail to understand, respectively speaking, that Greek words have more than one meaning.

Take for instance the Greek Word Apostasia. This Greek Word has the following meanings...

The Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon (Online) lists the following information. The Greek Word Apostasia defined...

Apostasia defined--
1. A defection or revolt
2. departure, disappearance
3. distinguishing
4. distance

Generally speaking, Apostasia is always looked at by Christians as a defection, revolt who do not hold to the Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine. Doesn't that make you wonder why they do?

Based on the context of Paul's writings on the Rapture we have the following words...

1 Thessalonians 4:17--Harpazo--snatched up, taken by force
2 Thessalonians 2:1--episunagogue--gathering in the air
2 Thessalonians 2:3--apostasia
2 Thessalonians 2:7--ginomia ek--to take out of

Looking at the context, The only definition that fits apostasia is departure, disappearance. So, Why do they decide to use defection, revolt? Why don't they use the correct definition in context?

Stephen1--The gathering Paul speaks of and the day of the Lord are not the same events and the Lord's immortalization of the believer [both those asleep and those living at the time] will occur first ..... and then the day of the Lord will begin abruptly with no warning given to earth dwellers

The day of the Lord is His "hour" of trial [the coming tribulation period of 2,550 days] .... and will include His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth for 1,000 years

You still think that 1 week of years (7 years) is 2550 days? Would you please show me how 7 years = 2550 days?

Based on our current Calendar--7 years x 365 days = 2555 days. Our Current Calendar does not work here. Based on God's Calendar of 30 days per month for 12 months yields the following calculation...

30 Days x 12 months = 360 days per year. 360 days x 7 years = 2520 days. Precisely.

I would say that you have a strange 7 year period that does not match God's count. Why doesn't your count match God's count?

"I would say that you have a strange 7 year period that does not match God's count. Why doesn't your count match God's count?"

Daniel
12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up [mid week], there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

>1260 + 1290 = 2550 days by any mathematical standards

>2520 + 30 = 2550

>The add'l 30 days have a purpose [Ezekiel 38:18-23; 39:1-29; Micah 5; Joel 2; 3; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-14; 19:11-21]

>Israel's 70th week of 2520 days will terminate [Jacob's trouble will be over] .... and then the Lord will muster the believing remnant part of the nation and destroy the beast and his followers in the next 30 days

>I would say that you have a desire to bring argumentation for sport

>Presentation of the Lord's Word is not a game son

>I have a dog that barks at the wind .... for naught

Originally Posted by Stephen1

"I would say that you have a strange 7 year period that does not match God's count. Why doesn't your count match God's count?"

Daniel
12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up [mid week], there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Howdy Stephen!

It is very good to see you here today. Yes, That is exactly what Daniel says.

Stephen1-->1260 + 1290 = 2550 days by any mathematical standards

I do not disagree with the math you have presented. Those 2 numbers added together = what you claim.

But, We are not dealing with just any mathematical standard. We are dealing with God's Mathematical Standard. Therefore, Your Teaching must line up with God's Mathematical Standard. If Your Teaching does not line up, Then Your teaching is wrong.

There are (2) 42 month periods in Daniel's 70th Week. 42 months = 3 1/2 years. 3 1/2 years x 2 = 7 years. Precisely. 42 months x 2 = 84 months.

Therefore, 84 months x 30 days per month = 2520 days.

Stephen1-->2520 + 30 = 2550

I agree with this math. These 2 numbers added together = what you claim. But, Here again, Why are you adding to the last 42 month period. God did not say add anywhere here in Daniel 12:11.

God said that from the midpoint of Daniel's 70th Week, There would be 1290 days. Therefore, When the last 42 month period is over, Something is going to happen. See Matthew 24:29.

Stephen-->The add'l 30 days have a purpose [Ezekiel 38:18-23; 39:1-29; Micah 5; Joel 2; 3; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-14; 19:11-21]

And, I have already listed the events that will occur during the first 30 days after the Tribulation of those days in another post. And, Ezekiel's war is not mentioned occurring after the Tribulation of those days. Not mentioned at all.

Stephen1-->Israel's 70th week of 2520 days will terminate [Jacob's trouble will be over]

Very good. I agree.

Stephen1--.... and then the Lord will muster the believing remnant part of the nation and destroy the beast and his followers in the next 30 days

The Bible does not say how long this will take. My hunch is The Battle of Armageddon will be over faster than any of us think. Christ will speak a Word, and the Battle is over. It will not take 30 days for this Word to reach earth.

Stephen-->I would say that you have a desire to bring argumentation for sport

Really? I think that you love not being precise enough to bring argumentation for sport. :)

Stephen-->Presentation of the Lord's Word is not a game son

I have never claimed that it was.

Stephen-->I have a dog that barks at the wind .... for naught

Sounds like you have a very smart dog. He/she probably sees something that you do not see and hears things you cannot hear. Reward your dog.

Have a nice day!

Did you miss the parallel between my dog's barking at the wind and your stories?

The Lord certainly does add the 30 days to the 70th week ... no valid argument here as you suggest by your scattered logic

I suggest that you get serious with your views rather than riding the debating train

Originally Posted by Stephen1

Did you miss the parallel between my dog's barking at the wind and your stories?

Howdy Stephen1!

I don't think so. I said you had a very smart dog. Dogs bark at the wind because they hear things their owners cannot hear.

Stephen1--The Lord certainly does add the 30 days to the 70th week ... no valid argument here as you suggest by your scattered logic

Well, If what you say is true, Then I should be able to find it in Revelation Chapters 13-16. You did say quote The Lord certainly does add the 30 days to the 70th Week. EOQ

That is precisely what you said. And, I know you, I think. You will not back down to what you claim. Even, When God ends the 70th Week, see Matthew 24:29, and begins with Daniel's 75 Day Gap.

Do you see my point? I will illustrate it for you.

God ends the 70th Week-I-God begins again with 75 Days. 3 1/2 years = 42 months. Not so with you. Here is what you do...

God ends the 70th Week + 30 days-I-God begins again with 45 days.
3 1/2 years = 43 months. No. 43 months = 3.583 years. Do you see now why I like being precise? Because God is.

Think about it this way. If you and I were sitting in an Engineering class and the Professor asked this question and the answer is true or false.

Question: Does 3 1/2 years = 43 months? True? Or, False? You say true. I say false. Who flunks the question? You do. I am just trying my best to help you pass the question. If you truly desire to flunk, then by all means...Flunk!!!

Stephen1--I suggest that you get serious with your views rather than riding the debating train

I think it would be a very good idea if both of us practice being as precise as God is to the very best of our abilities. When We have gained preciseness, Then we can get serious.

Because, Then Both us of will be on the very same sheet music and singing the very same song.

Have a nice day!

This is my take on Bible Prophecy...no disrespect meant...a whole lot of people are going to meet their "end of time" today...did someone "love" enough to make sure they understood what they would be judged for if they refuse to repent and accept the gift of eternal life.

Prophecy is really interesting, but I think sometimes we lose track of today and our purpose; by getting excited over things we cannot predict. How's this, it is going to happen, is everyone ready?

I know...I am a balloon popper.