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    The old testament passage that the religious leaders knew so well was Daniel chapter 7 verses 7:13-14 and 7:27.
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    Matthew 26:64
    64 Jesus said to him, "It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." 65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, "He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!

    Mark 14:62-64
    62 Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." 63 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "What further need do we have of witnesses? 64 You have heard the blasphemy! What do you think?" And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death

    Daniel 7:13-14
    13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.

    Daniel 7:27
    Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by jari View Post
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    yeah this is the interesting thing that There's Father and son but only one God.

    something little difficult for us to understand.

    But there's one throne of God also and Jesus is sitting on it.

    So God who came on earth were obedient as son and submitted under Father. Yet is now back in heaven.
    hard to understand but like i always say its just possible for God to be in multiple places in same time.
    "When a Russian cosmonaut returned from space and reported that he had not found God, C. S. Lewis responded that this was like Hamlet going into the attic of his castle looking for Shakespeare. If there is a God, he wouldn't be another object in the universe that could be put in a lab and analyzed with empirical methods. He would relate to us in the way a playwright relates to the characters in his play. We (characters) might be able to know quite a lot about the olaywright, but only to the degree that the author chooses to put information about himself in the play."
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    The Reason For God - pg 126

    "'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' declares the Lord.
    'As the heavens are higher than the earth,
    so are my ways higher than your ways
    and my thoughts than your thoughts.'" (Is 55:8-9)


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    Jesus

    Jesus quite consistently said, "I come in my fathers name."

    when i was in the navy the captain of the ship upon arriving or departing would be announced over the MC. He had a name given by his mother but they never said, "John James" arriving but rather said "Warden" arriving.

    his name was not Warden.

    the ship was named the USS Warden.

    they announced his arrival or departure by the name of that which was greater than him.

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    I find the late JB Watson's writings very accurate

    The truth of the Incarnation is that God has become Man in Jesus Christ. It is not that at some time in His earthly course Jesus Christ became God. He was ever God and did not, yea could not, cease to be God when He became Man. He took up Manhood into His Deity, and, ceasing not to be what He had ever been, beacme in humiliation what He had never before been.....

    ..... True God, Perfect Man, One Christ. In Him deity and humanity are indivisibly united, unconfusedly distinct. May His Name be praised for ever.


    But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thopusands of Judah, yet of of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel: whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting
    Micah 5:2
    I live yet not I, but Christ liveth in me
    Galatians 2:20

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    Jesus quite consistently said, "I come in my fathers name."

    when i was in the navy the captain of the ship upon arriving or departing would be announced over the MC. He had a name given by his mother but they never said, "John James" arriving but rather said "Warden" arriving.

    his name was not Warden.

    the ship was named the USS Warden.

    they announced his arrival or departure by the name of that which was greater than him.
    Excellent example and observation and something I would not have known had you not mentioned it.
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    theres not question of is Jesus God's son. the marvelling thing is He also claims equality with God.


    (Joh 14:9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

    Jesus thinks that while Father is greater than He we don't need to see Him.
    If we have seen Jesus.

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    Is Jesus really God

    Yes Jesus really is God. Isaiah 9vs6 tells us that the child that is born is the mighty God, the everlasting father. The Old Testament tells us God is the Alpha and Omega, the New Testament tells us that Jesus is the Alpha And Omega how can this be unless Jesus is God.

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    Not true

    Quote Originally Posted by jari View Post
    theres not question of is Jesus God's son. the marvelling thing is He also claims equality with God.


    (Joh 14:9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

    Jesus thinks that while Father is greater than He we don't need to see Him.
    If we have seen Jesus.
    That is not what he was intimating at all for you cut the text off and did not print the defining statement, namely:

    Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

    What Jesus was saying is not, "you don't need to see the father if you have seen me", but rather, "If you have seen me you have seen the father."

    And if you think it was Jesus himself saying that you would also be mistaken for he said in the first person, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?"



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    Does God ask us to perform that which He would/could not Himself? Does God "say and do not?" Hence God and His Word are one! The Word being an expression of the "abundance of the heart" of God, and God fulfilling by Example His Word. Righteousness is proven by this fellowship and bond, as though of a Father and Son (the son being the likeness and image of the Father much like a physical son resembles his parents; but as God is Spirit, the likeness is spiritual also). Hence through the life laid down in humility (if the gospel of grace is the ministry of the Son, such has to be true of the Father, and always has been and will be) of the Father are we given the Son, and through the laying down of His life (by commandment of the Father Jesus said He did this) are we given the Spirit (you can argue later whether it was Jesus Himself that imparted the Spirit through breathing on the disciples after resurrection or the Father gave the Spirit after the ascension of Jesus). The Spirit is said to make known the words and actions of Jesus and give an accurate testimony of Him (even as Christ is Faithful in His expression of the Father).

    The entire argument is was Jesus "God with us" or the example of the church; God or man! Can God not do both? "Is anything too hard for the LORD?"

    The name God itself is plural. Is this by accident? Is scripture divinely written or not?

    Did God rest His entire ministry upon a man of flesh and blood (didn't work out so well with Adam...Did God need to try again as if His works were not perfect)? Did He leave His minstry, kingdom, righteousness, and our salvation to chance? Or is the Son the manifestation of the works and will of the Father? Wherein God knew the heart of Jesus, because it was the expression of His own (as a seed sown must reap fruit according to the seed!). And as Christ is to the Father, so the Spirit is pertaining to Christ; united in harmony and peace of the heritage and example of the gospel of grace!

    You then who are called the Temple of the Holy Spirit are to follow the precedant of children of God, following the Example in Christ, even as He is the perfect expression of the Father.

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