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    was cain satans son?

    came across this at christian forums intresting concept. have not heard this before? johnny

    Genesis 3:13 "And the Lord God said unto the woman, "What is this that thou hast done?" And the woman said, "The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."
    This is the same reason that Paul used in his concern about the end generation. He worried that the Church, or body of Christ would not understand that the false Christ will come disguised as the true Christ.
    Eve stated just as Paul quoted her; "The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat." Eve had intercourse with Satan and lost her virginity. From that union came Cain, the father of all Kenites. Learn the truth.
    Genesis 3:14 "And the Lord God said unto the serpent, "Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"
    This is God speaking to Satan. God is cursing Satan above all living creatures. This is a figure of speech, meaning you are the lowest thing of all creation. Now God continues to speak to the serpent [Satan].
    Genesis 3:15 "And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan's] head, and thou [Satan] shalt bruise His [Christ's] heel."
    Eve's seed is our Lord Jesus Christ. While Satan's seed are the children, to the last generation, called the Kenites. Those offspring are born from the sexual union between Eve and Satan [the serpent, and the tree of good and evil]. God is telling us that He will put trouble between Eve's children [through Adam and Seth], and Satan's offspring through Cain, called the Kenites.
    It is Jesus Christ that shall bruise the head of Satan, at Christ's return at the second advent; while it was Satan's children the Kenites, [not brother Judah] that bruised the heel of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. This was done when the spikes were driven through Christ's heel, as He hung on the cross to pay the full price for our sins, once and for all.
    Most "men of God" acknowledge that Genesis 3:15 is talking about the death of Jesus Christ, when He was nailed to the cross for our sins. They recognize that "seed" is referring to the children of the woman "Eve", yet somehow they just want to spiritualize everything else that happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and the two men [Satan and Adam]. The "seed" in the Hebrew is called "zirmah", and in the Greek it is "sperma". We in the English call it "sperm", and in Strongs Hebrew Dictionary # 2233; "Posterity, carnally, child, fruitful". Friend, it can't be any clearer. The seed of Satan's "posterity" are the "Kenites", while Adam's posterity is in Christ, and of the pure bloodline through Seth.
    Until you understand what really took place in the Garden of Eden, and why; it will be difficult for you to grow up and mature in the Word of God, and in true Christianity.
    Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
    This is God's instruction to the woman. Did God say that He would give Eve a tummy ache for eating too many apple seeds? No; the word in any language that you translate it in, is "conception". To "conceive" is to be impregnated with a child. This places the woman's position in the home under the man. You may say, well, did Jesus teach that? Just the asking of the question alone reflects your understanding of God's Word. Turn to Matthew 13, and see what Jesus said about what happened in the beginning. Jesus is answering His disciples, and telling them that if you don't understand this [the parable of the sower] you are not going to understand any of My parables.
    Remember how Jesus told the "Parable of the sower"; how the good man planted the seed, and the enemy came in the night and planted another seed. That enemy was Satan, and as we are seeing in Genesis 3, he planted the bad seed in Eve. That is why God put enmity between the "Kenites" [Satan's seed], and Jesus Christ, and caused the Kenites to kill the Messiah, Jesus Christ. After Jesus told his parable of the sower, His disciples asked Him why He always talked in parables in public. Then in Matthew 13:11 Jesus answered.
    Matthew 13:11 "He [Jesus] answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of heaven, but to them it is not given".
    God simply does not want these scribes and Kenite Jewish leaders to understand. They are the negative part of God's plan.
    In Matthew 13:37 Jesus is going to explain to the disciples the "parable of the sower" [fig tree]; "He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;"
    "The Son of man" as it is used here is in reference to Adam, and not Christ [per reference from the Hebrew Massorah text]. Jesus is not speaking in parable here, but explaining one.
    Matthew 13:38 "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"
    The "world" is this place we live in and walk on in this earth age, and we see here we are not talking about apple seeds. The "tares" are the children of the wicked one who is Satan. Those children are called Kenites.
    Matthew 13:39 "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."
    The "devil" is known by many names, such as the "tree of good and evil", and the "serpent" here in Genesis 3, but he is Satan. Though many would like to separate the good and the bad seed now, Jesus is telling us that that is the job of the angels.
    Matthew 13:40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world."
    If you do not understand what happened in this parable, then you will be ignorant of who the Kenites [the tares] really are. This will leave you open to the deceptions that are covering the earth in these final days, and you will be taken up by them. Satan's kids, the Kenites, infiltrated the religious ranks of the Jewish leaders in Babylon [I Chronicles 2:55, and Ezra 2:43-65], and today they have infiltrated the Christian ranks of the Church leadership.
    Understand that the product of Eve's sin was bearing a child by Satan, and that child's name was "Cain". Jesus explained this parable of what went on in the garden of Eden so you and I could understand exactly how Satan intended to destroy God's plan; for sending the Messiah to earth, to be born woman [through Eve]; and thus providing a way for sinful man to come back to God.
    I Corinthians 11:10 "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."
    It is for this reason that the woman ought to have the power, which is the authority of that God gives to each of us, when we are in Christ. This again is written to the end generation, and our power and authority come from the Word of God. That knowledge and wisdom that is in the Word of God is where our power comes from, and we must have that wisdom in our mind or we will not stand in the day of the deception. This goes way back to Genesis 6, and it pertains to what the angels did when they came to earth. It was for this reason that the flood of Noah came to be, for Satan could not destroy the Seed, so he tried to destroy the coming of Christ through Eve's daughters.
    Genesis 6:1 "And it came to pass, when the men began to multiply one the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,"
    So the subject that we are trying to learn is why does a woman today ever have to protect herself from angels? Got the subject here? Daughters are born to men.
    Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
    "Sons of God" are the "Nephilim" or "fallen angels". They are the angels that have committed themselves to Satan in his fall in the first earth age. These fallen angels saw that the daughters of flesh men were very beautiful, and they wanted to take them for their wives. Remember that flesh man was created from the dust of the earth, and the woman was created just like the man, also from the dust of the earth as a companion for each other. These fallen angels sought to have the things of flesh man, and their experiences of marriage, without being born of woman.
    Angels are supernatural beings of a different form and dimension, and these fallen angels took for themselves the daughters that they wanted. This went directly against God's plan of our flesh age. They have the power and the supernatural wisdom to take what they wanted from flesh man.
    II Corinthians 11:2 "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."
    "Espoused" is to cause one to become engaged. What is the subject and the object here? The subject is "presenting you as a chaste virgin; while the object is loosing ones virginity." Christ is the husband and we are the bride of Christ. This is using a flesh term to explain a spiritual matter. Virginity is a state of condition relating only to sexual matters of a woman [female], and when Christ called the church His bride, He expects us to act as a bride.
    II Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." In other words, you turn away from the simplicity of reading God's Word.
    The word "beguiled" in the Strong's Greek dictionary is # 1818; "exapatao, ex-ap-at ah-o, from 1537 and 538, to seduce wholly, to beguile, deceive." In # 1537 we read; "ex, shows point of origin".
    This verse has only one meaning, and that is not to be wholly seduced, and lose your virginity as Eve did. So in the Greek text this verse would read; "I am afraid your going to lose your virginity as Eve did, who was wholly seduced by the serpent [Satan]." Paul will say later in this chapter [verse 14], "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed [fashioned himself] into an angel of light." Upon Satan's arrival on earth very shortly, he will appear just as Jesus Himself will appear. The word "transformed" in the Greek manuscripts is, "disguised" as an angel of light.
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    Do you seriously think all of mankind was doomed because someone ate a piece of fruit!!!


    It is amazing that Jude 14 records that ENOCH was the SEVENTH from Adam, which confirms that CAIN was really not the son of Adam, but the SON of the SERPENT. The genealogies of ADAM was on this wise : (1) Adam, (2) Seth, (3) Enos, (4) Cainan, (5) Mahaleel, (6) Jared, (7) Enoch. Notice that Cain was never mentioned in the list of the Bible as a son of Adam; and Abel, of course, was never mentioned because he was murdered by Cain, and did not have any descendant.

    "And Adam and Eve heard the
    Voice of The Lord and they were
    ashamed and covered themselves
    with fig leaves."
    The shame of Adam and Eve clearly shows a new "knowledge" and awareness of sexuality and their own nakedness. Now let's look at what happened next.
    "And the Lord said unto the
    woman, "You shall have pain
    in childbirth and your desire
    shall be towards your husband."
    The Punishment upon Eve (womenhood) was pain in childbirth. This seems directly linked to sexual intercouse and pregnancy. Also her "desire" is to bear her husband's children yet have to endure this great suffering to do so. This "curse" provides more proof that "eating the forbidden fruit" does represent SEX.

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    Notice that Eve did not say the same concerning Abel who was born at the same time, for he came second.

    Cain and Abel were fraternal twins, conceived in close association of time, but from different donars.

    All that Eve was expressing is that Life came through God.

    There are many that will disagree with this, but the evidence is in the day that Cain and Abel went before God to worship, for they went up at the same time because they came of age at the same time.

    Abel was of the seed of Adam whom God had planted in the earth and God had respect unto his offering, but Cain was of the seed of Satan (hybrid) and God had no respect unto him.

    Jesus Himself stated that the Pharisees in the time that He walked the earth as the son of man, were the offspring of Cain (the first murder) and that their father (as Cain) was the devil (deceiver) or Satan.

    Argue as you will concerning the translations of the Chaldee language in Genesis, but you cannot argue that which the Lord made known Himself.

    Many claim that (the serpent seed doctrine) is a "Strange" doctrine and should not be listened to.

    What is strange unto me is that Moses wrote concerning it, the prophets spoke of it, Jesus supported it, and Paul warned of it, but the Church will not even consider it.

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    GE 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
    These people have conveniently decided to ignore, not accept as truth this verse.

    Adam had intercourse with Eve and she fell pregnant with Cain with Adam. It is there in black and white.

    I don't see how eating fruit make you pregnant or did I miss that part in Personal Development classes when I was at High School. LOL

    Seriously this theory is totally ignoring what the Bible CLEARLY teaches.

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    There are some elaborte theories out there but as my friend Melody has said Cain was Adam's son.
    Psa 62:5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him.

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    Cain was definitely NOT Satan's son. The "Fallen Angels" did not arrive on earth until the days of Jarad, (Book of Enoch 6 : 1 - 8 - Canon Charles), which is to say 460 years after the creation of Adam. Since Seth was born 130 years after the creation of Adam and both Cain and Abel were born before Seth, Cain could not have been a child of Satan.

    From the previous post it would appear that he was the son of Adam and Eve; though my own research seems to indicate that he was the son of Adam and Lilith, which would to some extent explain the dark side of his nature.

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    When the Lord God made trees, He made them to grow fruits and every fruit had seed IN ITSELF. Now there was a Tree of Life in the garden and there was a Tree of knowledge of good and evil. The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, goodness, gentleness, faith, meekness and temperance
    Galatians 5:11,12 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

    Please remember, these are not FRUITS (plural) but FRUIT (singular). We eat of this fruit from the Tree of life, which is Jesus Christ Himself. When we eat the fruit, the seed that is in the fruit is sown in us so that we give more fruit and sow seed in others so that others can bear fruit. Hence we read that we do not sin because His seed remaineth in us.
    1 John 3:9
    Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    Likewise is the seed of sin. It bears the fruit and when the seed is sown, it bears tree of fruit of unrighteousness.
    Now in case of Eve, she ate the fruit and she gave birth to Cain. I would not say if it was an actual physical relationship between satan and Eve as this would bring further complications like, Adam taking Eve for wife after that physical act (supposedly) with satan, which is against the Word of God and then bearing Seth.... in whose generation we find our Lord Jesus.
    Jeremiah 3
    1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

    Which is to say, if Eve had a physical union with satan then she should have become ONE 'flesh' with satan according to the word of God. Then it would have been impossible for Adam to take her back as his wife. Moreover, the Lord coming from that line of generation would have been a great pollution. The Lord is in the generation of the righteous.
    Psalms 14:5
    There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous

    And again the Lord says all souls are mine as the soul of the father so the soul of the son.
    Ezekiel 18:4
    Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    They are all God's souls. Even Judas Iscariot was created by God though the Lord called him a "Devil"
    John 6:70
    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

    Satan cannot create men but he can sow his evil seed in men.
    Next: Watch this closely. It is interesting. I want your full attention else you will not understand and the devil will steal it from you. Let it not steal.
    When Adam and Eve sinned. The Lord came down to meet Adam in the cool of the day and found out that they were hiding. Then Adam confesses of his nakedness and the Lord:
    1. reasons with Adam. Hast thou eaten of.....
    2. reasons with Eve. What is this that thou hast done?
    3. judgment falls on the beast, the serpent: (no reasoning, no enquiry)
    Genesis 3
    9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
    10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
    11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
    12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
    13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
    14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    Here there is no talking with satan. There is no enquiry going on with the subtle beast. There is direct judgment.

    So if Cain was satan's literal son then he would have been a beast and not man, then there would not have been any reasoning or enquiry with him either before or after killing Abel his brother. The Lord gives Cain all chance to repent unlike his supposed ancestor, the subtle serpent.

    Now according to Matthew 13, the seed is the word. When God sows His seed (The Holy Word of God) into a person, satan comes with all his subtilty, robs God's seed from the man's heart and plants his seed (evil) instead into that man and then the man conceives the fruits of flesh.
    James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
    Now therefore by our deeds we are judged. Judas Iscariot was judged by His deeds. He was called 'devil'. So was Cain. Cain had a seed of that wicked one, satan. Note that Cain's WORKS were evil. So he was judged by his works. The works are the fruit of the seed planted in him.
    John 3:12
    Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.


    Brother, Johnny. I understand where this is coming from. I admire the prophet. I like his teachings. He was one of the gems of God of that time. Great, great man of God!
    I also understand that there are many mysteries in the Bible we are not able to understand but by His mercy we are able to understand some of them. Some mysteries seem to be very contradictory to our consience and understanding. However, we are asked to search the scriptures before we believe anything.
    May the Lord forgive me if I have made anything wrong in explaining may He give more strength to understand this mystery, if I have failed to do so.

    I urge my few brethren here not to mock at anything. Please do not take chances. If you disagree, please keep it before the Father and the Lord will help you to understand and if it is a lie then reprove it by the word but please do not mock.

    May the good Lord Jesus Christ bless you all. In Jesus name. Amen.

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    I cannot reply to this post at this time as I do not have enough posts at this site to qualify for posting images of photographed documents created while researching the subject of the lineage of Cain.

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    2Co 11:3 ButG1161 I fear,G5399 lest by any means,G3381 asG5613 theG3588 serpentG3789 beguiledG1818 EveG2096 throughG1722 hisG848 subtilty,G3834 soG3779 yourG5216 mindsG3540 should be corruptedG5351 fromG575 theG3588 simplicityG572 thatG3588 is inG1519 Christ.G5547

    What I love about the Vines Expository Dictionary of the Bible is this: though keyed to the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance in the case of multiple definitions it gives the precise application of each definition but fitting it to the grammar of the original text. Below is an example, many Cain son of Satan theologists use the above verse to support their views based on simply picking one of the possible definitions (as listed below). Highlighting the correct translation ( in the Vines Expository Dictionary )makes a completely different statement.


    From the Strong's Concordance:
    G1818
    ἐξαπατάω
    exapataō
    ex-ap-at-ah'-o
    From G1537 and G538; to seduce wholly: - beguile, deceive.



    From the Vines Complete Expository Dictionary of the Bible

    Beguile

    1. apatao (G538), "to deceive," is rendered "beguiled" in the RV of 1Ti_2:14. See No. 2.
    2. exapatao (G1818), a strengthened form of No. 1, is rendered "beguile," 2Co_11:3; the more adequate rendering would be "as the serpent thoroughly beguiled Eve." So in 1Ti_2:14, in the best mss., this stronger form is used of Satan's deception of Eve, lit., "thoroughly beguiled"; the simpler verb, No. 1, is used of Adam. In each of these passages the strengthened form is used. So of the influence of sin, Rom_7:11 (RV, "beguile"); of self-deception, 1Co_3:18 (RV, "deceive"); of evil men who cause divisions, Rom_16:18 (RV, "beguile"); of deceitful teachers, 2Th_2:3 (RV, "beguile"). See DECEIVE.In the Sept., Exo_8:29.
    3. paralogizomai (G3884), lit. and primarily, "to reckon wrong," hence means "to reason falsely" (para, "from, amiss," logizomai, "to reason") or "to deceive by false reasoning"; translated "delude" in Col_2:4, RV (KJV, "beguile") and Jam_1:22 (KJV, "deceive"). See DECEIVE, DELUDE.
    4. deleazo (G1185) originally meant "to catch by a bait" (from delear, "a bait"); hence "to beguile, entice by blandishments": in Jam_1:14, "entice"; in 2Pe_2:14, KJV, "beguile"; in 2Pe_2:18, KJV, "allure"; RV, "entice" in both. See ENTICE.
    Note: In Col_2:18, the verb katabrabeuo, "to give judgment against, condemn," is translated "beguile...of your reward," KJV; RV, "rob... of your prize." The verb was used of an umpire's decision against a racer; hence the translations (or paraphrases) in the Eng. versions. See ROB.


    One can plainly see how using the Strong's and picking the favored definition will easily support what is simply not there when viewed in proper context.
    Psa 62:5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him.

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    What little the Bible has to say about Eve being "Beguiled" or "Seduced" by a "Serpent" is purely metaphorical. To get the real story, in much more detail you have to read the Book of Enoch.

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    The Book of Enoch is not Biblically sound. I suggest staying with what the BIBLE says!

    And I agree with the statements that say that Cain was Adam and Eve's son.
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    Cain was biologically the son of Adam and Eve. However spiritually speaking Cain was a son of Satan. Our actions and our heart's desire (good or evil) determines whether or not we are a child of satan or not (1 John 3:12, John 8:44).

    The Bible says Cain was satan's son in this verse:
    1 John 3:12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous.

    Cain was the first, of many of satan's children, as implied by John 8:44. Cain was the murderer in the beginning.
    John 8:44
    For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning.






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