I gave scriptures, in a previous post. They absolutely supported everything I said.

Originally Posted by Isla_Rose

Jiggyfly, We are all guilty of sin. Like the fictional man i used in my example. The judge represents God, the man represents us. We have all been found guilty and deserving of the death penalty - hell. Jesus stepped in and said - *I* will pay for their sins, which He did.
If we do not accept His sacrifice then we will have to pay for our own sins in hell. *someone* has to pay. - Jesus did that. But if we say - No...i dont accept what you have done for me....then we will pay for our own sins in hell.

Continuing with this reasoning, if i accept that Jesus has already paid for my sins; can i carry on sinning, assured that i will find room in heaven?

The Rich Man and Lazarus Luke 16:19-31


19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”


What about that ^^^

Isla_Rose:

While we each have different ideas, views and belief's on what the word says (Doctrine) in a forum setting where everyone is learning it is appropriate to post scriptures to questions and substantiate any belief system presented.

These questions were not addressed with any scripture. That is scripture that specifically says that punishment of sin is a separation from Christ

Ok do you have any scripture that states the just punishment for sin is separation from Christ?

Do you believe that Christ paid the penalty for your sin? If so what was it? (To save time please list scriptures that you feel pertain to your belief when you respond.)

Continuing with this reasoning, if i accept that Jesus has already paid for my sins; can i carry on sinning, assured that i will find room in heaven?

While you did post scriptures, not one answers these questions or address these specific area's...All that was asked is how you come to these conclusions with the scripture you posted.... Not that hard..

Not sure how you get this out of the scriptures you posted??? Can you elaborate?

While It may seem to be nitpicking, on a forum setting anything can go if rules and questions are not answered. There are times myself where I felt Jiggyfly to be very harsh, (And fully expected since Jiggyfly and I do not agree on a lot of Doctrine) but in this case all that is wanted is affirmation of what you believe... Nobody is in disagreement.

It is perfectly OK to admit you need help finding scriptures to support what you believe is true...

Jesus Is Lord.

Originally Posted by Isla_Rose

I gave scriptures, in a previous post. They absolutely supported everything I said.

Please repost them now and lets look at them together.


Thanks for the clarification BM.

TT, you cannot go on sinning and except to go to heaven, as a reborn christian you wouldn't want anything to do with sin.

Originally Posted by Isla_Rose

Of course it's based on scripture.
Is what I said word for word in Scripture? - No
Is it an accurate description of salvation? - Yes!

There is none righteous; not even one. Romans 3:10

For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

I am assuming that this is the post you were referring to Isla_Rose. Lets look at these together.

There is none righteous; not even one. Romans 3:10

Ok no one is righteous.

For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

OK everyone has sinned and fallen short.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

Ahhh, the wages of sin are death.

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

Yes, salvation can only be found in Christ Jesus.

Now I am failing to see mentioned in the scriptures you posted that the just punishment for sin is separation from Christ nor am I seeing anything about "paying for your own sins in hell".

Sometimes we form conclusions on bad information and I know that I have time and again through the years on various things especially concerning this topic. When I used to participate within the religious institution it was very common to accept what pastor says this or that scripture means without studying it for ourselves.

I hope you see my challenge to you of producing supporting scriptures is intended as a help.

The Bible tells us “all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23

I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins."

John 8:24

If you die in your sins you will go to hell.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

The wages of sin is death, death by going to the lake of fire. (The second death)
If you accept Christ you have eternal life in heaven, and you do not you go to hell.

"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." -Revelation 20:15

Originally Posted by TouchTestimony

Do followers of other religions, people who do not believe in or follow Christ, get passage into heaven as well, or are they destined for hell?

Quite simply the answer is NO unbelievers will never enter into glory.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Originally Posted by Isla_Rose

The Bible tells us “all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23

I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins."

John 8:24

If you die in your sins you will go to hell.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

The wages of sin is death, death by going to the lake of fire. (The second death)
If you accept Christ you have eternal life in heaven, and you do not you go to hell.

"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." -Revelation 20:15

Sorry Isla_rose but still not seeing "the just punishment for sin is separation from Christ" or "paying for your own sin in hell".

The just punishment for sin is death just like Paul said in the verse you quoted from Romans.

Do you believe in annihilation or unending torment in hell?