This is the message I'm giving to my youth pastor and maybe my church pastor for their opinion or suggestion..
on homosexual feelings
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I'm not sure what do to anymore.
I need to make a choice, a big
choice and I feel I should get
help on this choice...

I would talk to you in person
about this but I'm to conflicted
to even think about trying to
discuss this.. It's painful to
type out..

I've felt this way for a long
long time.. and it's been very
hard sometimes for me.. but I
feel as if it's time to get an
answer, to make the final choice.
I've prayed and cried over this
for years and hidden it inside
trying to ignore it and tell
myself it wasn't true that God
"cured" me.

I need you to promise
to me that you wont ever let
another soul find out about this
message, as i myself am just to
scared... I've been having
homosexual desires and not
hetrosexual ones.. I have a hard
time seeing myself in a
hetrosexual relationship as I
find that "distasteful"..
I havn't done any of either
sexual things.

I've managed to narrow down what
seem to be my only choices to
these. (I don't like any of them.)

1.
Somehow live a life of celibacy
and never be joined with another.
(Which will be very hard as
that's all that I really want
((don't misunderstand me please,
it's not the intercourse that I'm
talking about it's the
relationship of having that
someone on this earth to
turn to))aside from to see Jesus
and EVERYONE in heaven.)

2.
Simply commit suicide. Many other
christians have because of these
feelings and no one helping them,
just making them feel worse;
like an abomination.. Like God
hates you. (I can't see myself
doing this as I can manage a lot
of stress and I know theirs
always hope somewhere aslong as
theirs a Jesus that died for me
I have hope..)

3.
Ignore my family and churches
that think homosexuals are
doomed to hell because of certain
few scriptures that condem them
(Apparently greek translation
isn't perfect on most of them
and the actual word homosexual
being translated could or when
used back then mean a man and
a boy having sexual relationships
(pedophilia)
or just a male prositute, kind
of like that scripture about
men having long hair is a
bad thing and women having short
hair is a bad thing, when back
then short hair was hair to your
shoulders and anything past was
pretty much long hair.)

4.
Keep on praying and praying
and praying and begging before
the lord in Jesus name that he
would "cure" me.
(When I've prayed for this to
just go away for so long and
tried to ignore it. I fealt
ignorint of myself and when I
finally admitted it to myself
I fealt like myself.. I felt
happy and free but now I feel
condemned like a poisonous
abomination.. How could God call
me an abomination? after I'll
been through and prayed for and
still have these feelings.)

You have quite the struggle and I’ve put your nic in my Bible for prayer.

I will tell you like I did another boy when he was ten. He asked if he was born homosexual and I told him that he wasn’t and that it was a choice he would make later in life. I explained that homosexuality was wrong but many make that choice. I also explained that the schools and society would tell him that he had no choice which, renders him helpless since they claim there is no choice in the matter.

It was not until many years later that he thanked me for that conversation. There had been an older boy in the neighborhood who had sexually abused this boy. Something I sorrowed over for many years to come after this knowledge. Sorrowed because I was suppose to protect a child and I didn’t. Sorrowed because he was forced into something he did not want or understand. Sorrowed because he claims that God did not protect him from this and he has rejected Christ. I also understand that claim, the hatred and anger that goes along with stating that God did not protect. I also know the great amount of good that can come from even something like this.

Have you looked back in your past to see if there might have been such a circumstance of confusion that made you believe that you might be homosexual? Many times, trauma of this sort, we tend to want to hide from ourselves and everyone else at all cost…. But Christ can reveal it to us….. and then we must forgive the offender and pray for them.

If there was nothing like this that happened in your childhood, see if there was something said that may have brought confusion. I do know with the way television shows, schools and churches have become so politically correct, it’s a wonder more children and young adults aren’t affected or infected more.

Please know, God does hate the sin (anyone’s sin not just homosexuality) He also loves the sinner very much which is why He sent His Son. Not one of us is or will ever be perfect on this earth, (though some claim they are) but we strive to be more like Christ every day. The willful sinner (those who know their sin is wrong but do it anyway) will be condemned. Two good verses to start a study would be Hebrews 6:5 and 2 Peter 2:20 along with 1 Timothy 2:1-6

Originally Posted by sunshineaaks

You have quite the struggle and I’ve put your nic in my Bible for prayer.

I will tell you like I did another boy when he was ten. He asked if he was born homosexual and I told him that he wasn’t and that it was a choice he would make later in life. I explained that homosexuality was wrong but many make that choice. I also explained that the schools and society would tell him that he had no choice which, renders him helpless since they claim there is no choice in the matter.

It was not until many years later that he thanked me for that conversation. There had been an older boy in the neighborhood who had sexually abused this boy. Something I sorrowed over for many years to come after this knowledge. Sorrowed because I was suppose to protect a child and I didn’t. Sorrowed because he was forced into something he did not want or understand. Sorrowed because he claims that God did not protect him from this and he has rejected Christ. I also understand that claim, the hatred and anger that goes along with stating that God did not protect. I also know the great amount of good that can come from even something like this.

Have you looked back in your past to see if there might have been such a circumstance of confusion that made you believe that you might be homosexual? Many times, trauma of this sort, we tend to want to hide from ourselves and everyone else at all cost…. But Christ can reveal it to us….. and then we must forgive the offender and pray for them.

If there was nothing like this that happened in your childhood, see if there was something said that may have brought confusion. I do know with the way television shows, schools and churches have become so politically correct, it’s a wonder more children and young adults aren’t affected or infected more.

Please know, God does hate the sin (anyone’s sin not just homosexuality) He also loves the sinner very much which is why He sent His Son. Not one of us is or will ever be perfect on this earth, (though some claim they are) but we strive to be more like Christ every day. The willful sinner (those who know their sin is wrong but do it anyway) will be condemned. Two good verses to start a study would be Hebrews 6:5 and 2 Peter 2:20 along with 1 Timothy 2:1-6

Actually.. when I was a child.. my best friend and I didn't know any better and did things.. in secret.. didn't last long but we did it more then once. and I've had my parents dress me up in a dress before. lol T_T erhmm other then that.. I've always had an artistic view on things and been rather sensitive.. leaving me picked on threw highschool for being different and often being called gay because of gay sterio types..
It also did make me feel very gay for these sensitive feelings and type of person I am..

I'm beggining to understand that homosexuality is more of a tendency and a choice to follow through with or not.. (and really not what people/devil want you to think "something your born with") my hard part now.. is waiting for God to reveal a women to me that will leave me speachless in love and me being attracted to her.. (I currently still find men more attractive then women especially in the sense of genitalia, as I find the human vagina looks "messy", no offence to any women out their.. ) and I don't understand why homosexuality is a sin? the most I can come up with is because it's lustfull.. but so is same sex relationsships that are married?...

I don't really know what to tell you except these things.

My husband is very sensitive, but he is still a man. He isn't gay. It is really sad and annoying to see society deem people who are not molded into the 'norm' to be this or that because of their uniqueness! Thank God you and my husband aren't normal! I'm not normal either! lol

I think one of the things why homosexuality is a sin is because it is a perversion of what God created. God made male and female. He told not only the animals, but Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiple. A man and a man OR a woman and a woman can not be fruitful and multiple. God did not make us that way.

I don't think the forums are a place to talk about body parts, but I think you need to do some study of what God has made.

God made you. He calls us to come as we are.

When you pray, do you decide when God will answer? Maybe there is something He is trying to tell you. I don't know what. Maybe He is trying to build you up...try to help you to have self control. Maybe He is trying to make you see how those things that you and your friend did and you parents having you wear a dress did to you. Even things like that can make you think things...and your mind can see things.

Do you keep a journal? Maybe you need to write out your thoughts. I write out my prayers. Who knows maybe that will help you.

I'm sure someone who has gone through this can help you better. I don't know what else to tell you.

God Bless you.

While this doesn't speak directly to the topic, I think it may be of some value: During my childhood and my teenage years, I was often taunted mercilessly by other boys because I was physically uncoordinated - in other words, different. I have painful childhood memories of boys standing over me after I'd tripped and fallen, laughing uproariously, jeering me. As an adult, I learned that my coordination problems are the result of a neurological disorder, not because of any mental or emotional deficiency.

I've also learned, through my 12-step recovery experience, to see those who belittled me in my younger years (as well as those who might do so now) as being emotionally sick themselves because they can only build themselves up by tearing other people down. This has made it relatively easy for me to feel compassion for them instead of bitterness and to pray for them out of a truly loving heart.

"But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Mt 5:44-45 NIV)

SLE

Before I got saved I lived in the 'Gay community' for about 15 years because a very close female friend was gay and we shared houses many times, worked together, partied together etc. I also worked for a company that had an all-homosexual crew of about 30-40 guys. I became a trusted member of the gay community. I was not and am not 'gay' & never had any sexual relationships there in any way.

Many, many times I had long personal conversation with guys & girls. In every single case, without exception and including maybe 50+ people: ALL had either been homosexually abused or had homosexual relationships when they were very young! In every single case an older homosexual took advantage of their young age, innocence, and life situations.

Across the board, throughout the 'Gay' community there is NO PROHIBITION about sex with younger people, youngsters & children! Matter of fact, it's bragged about when they make a conquest!

Why? Because in every case I spoke with their own life had been destroyed by another in the same way. Destroyed? Oh, yes indeed. Believe me, there is nothing gay about the way they live! A desperate, frenzied struggle goes on each day to try to find something to make the pain go away. Extraordinarily high useage of drugs & alcohol, and a complete obessession with sexual acts as often as possible with as much demented variety as possible. I know of no place on the whole internet where I could describe what I've seen or heard!

Going into a hardcore gay bar on a 'Chaps & Cheeks' night will blow your mind right out of your skull! Guys basically naked except for leather chaps, leather vests & jackets, leather arm bands, leather biker caps, leather boots, bright neck scarves, studded wristbands & collars, bull whips, buggy whips, chrome chains, men in chains, men with dog collar choke chains around their neck led by a chain, forced to do things that are indescribable anywhere but there. Gang sex, forcible rapes, and bringing in youngsters to get them so stoned they can't see or think straight and having a 'party' with them! All this is 'NORMAL' in the 'Gay' lifestyle, totally acceptable and anybody who says otherwise is a ******* liar or never lived there! I SAW IT day after day, LIVED THERE!

Honest big city cops will tell you that in cases of murders or assaults that they've never seen such brutal perversions as jilted homosexuals 'getting even' with each other! Savage beatings, dismemberings, castrations, more than castrations, bodies carved up and that's as much as I can print here, all among male & female homosexuals.

The suicide rate is off the dial there, just because they're all so very 'Gay', right? No, the name is given to themselves by themselves to hide the ugly truth of the insanity and misery of that lifestyle. They are hopelessly unhappy because down deep inside, just like you: they know it just isn't right and is a bizzare behavior of sick minds and senseless confusion. They know that they were tricked into it at an early age and once they dove in there was no escape.

One of the main problems is that during formative years when natural body maturing is taking place, one has normal sexual desires. For most young men, and women, that is very often and very intense. The thoughts turn to sex & fantasies and the mind becomes preoccupied with thoughts related to sex. Before or during this same time they are somehow approached by a homosexual and are offered pleasure and consolement. In most cases the person is already in an uncomfortable situation and for whatever reason feels alone, rejected, unloved or whatever. Sound familiar?

The homosexual offers consoling comfort at first, working their way in. Then when trust is established and their mark has their emotions spinning and their mind & heart softened, then the actual physical conquest begins. It results from a person desiring love, which devolves to ANY love from ANYBODY just to stop the pain of rejection and hurt.

Often parents and family have serious problems & abuse children one way or another and this helps lead to the homosexual lifestyle, as a way out and a place to feel loved & cared for. It's all part of the homosexual trap when that troubled person is hugged and cuddled, poor baby, there there now...

Sure, you can make a decision to become homosexual. But in your heart you know it isn't right. Also, thoughts such as you have are a result of prior homosexual experiences, your age and your physical maturing, NOT because you were born trans sexual or whatever!

Or, yes, you could splatter your brains all over the wall with a 12 gauge, that's real smart too! Yep, that would fix everything: not only totally dead [and it takes a good bit of suffering before the death actually comes] then to find yourself cast into the dark pits of a fiery hell's torments. Yeah, there's a GREAT solution! Destroy a perfectly good life, never find out what life could have offered, die a miserable suffering death, then burn in hell forever. Yep, pure genius there!

What you truly need to do is get off the dime in your commitment to Jesus Christ! Saying you believe, reading some Scripture occasionally, a little church here & there is NOT Christianity! No, falling on your face before the Holy Lord God Almighty, the tender Mercy of the Blessed Son of God, and opening yourself up to the infilling of the Holy Spirit IS Christianity! Ask God to show you all that He has for you! Ask Him to show you NOW! Believe me, He won't be offended. Turn to Jesus with all your heart and He will hear you and enter in and fill you with all the love and purpose in your life that you can possibly handle!

Originally Posted by JDFree

Before I got saved I lived in the 'Gay community' for about 15 years because a very close female friend was gay and we shared houses many times, worked together, partied together etc. I also worked for a company that had an all-homosexual crew of about 30-40 guys. I became a trusted member of the gay community. I was not and am not 'gay' & never had any sexual relationships there in any way.

Many, many times I had long personal conversation with guys & girls. In every single case, without exception and including maybe 50+ people: ALL had either been homosexually abused or had homosexual relationships when they were very young! In every single case an older homosexual took advantage of their young age, innocence, and life situations.

Across the board, throughout the 'Gay' community there is NO PROHIBITION about sex with younger people, youngsters & children! Matter of fact, it's bragged about when they make a conquest!

Why? Because in every case I spoke with their own life had been destroyed by another in the same way. Destroyed? Oh, yes indeed. Believe me, there is nothing gay about the way they live! A desperate, frenzied struggle goes on each day to try to find something to make the pain go away. Extraordinarily high useage of drugs & alcohol, and a complete obessession with sexual acts as often as possible with as much demented variety as possible. I know of no place on the whole internet where I could describe what I've seen or heard!

Going into a hardcore gay bar on a 'Chaps & Cheeks' night will blow your mind right out of your skull! Guys basically naked except for leather chaps, leather vests & jackets, leather arm bands, leather biker caps, leather boots, bright neck scarves, studded wristbands & collars, bull whips, buggy whips, chrome chains, men in chains, men with dog collar choke chains around their neck led by a chain, forced to do things that are indescribable anywhere but there. Gang sex, forcible rapes, and bringing in youngsters to get them so stoned they can't see or think straight and having a 'party' with them! All this is 'NORMAL' in the 'Gay' lifestyle, totally acceptable and anybody who says otherwise is a ******* liar or never lived there! I SAW IT day after day, LIVED THERE!

Honest big city cops will tell you that in cases of murders or assaults that they've never seen such brutal perversions as jilted homosexuals 'getting even' with each other! Savage beatings, dismemberings, castrations, more than castrations, bodies carved up and that's as much as I can print here, all among male & female homosexuals.

The suicide rate is off the dial there, just because they're all so very 'Gay', right? No, the name is given to themselves by themselves to hide the ugly truth of the insanity and misery of that lifestyle. They are hopelessly unhappy because down deep inside, just like you: they know it just isn't right and is a bizzare behavior of sick minds and senseless confusion. They know that they were tricked into it at an early age and once they dove in there was no escape.

One of the main problems is that during formative years when natural body maturing is taking place, one has normal sexual desires. For most young men, and women, that is very often and very intense. The thoughts turn to sex & fantasies and the mind becomes preoccupied with thoughts related to sex. Before or during this same time they are somehow approached by a homosexual and are offered pleasure and consolement. In most cases the person is already in an uncomfortable situation and for whatever reason feels alone, rejected, unloved or whatever. Sound familiar?

The homosexual offers consoling comfort at first, working their way in. Then when trust is established and their mark has their emotions spinning and their mind & heart softened, then the actual physical conquest begins. It results from a person desiring love, which devolves to ANY love from ANYBODY just to stop the pain of rejection and hurt.

Often parents and family have serious problems & abuse children one way or another and this helps lead to the homosexual lifestyle, as a way out and a place to feel loved & cared for. It's all part of the homosexual trap when that troubled person is hugged and cuddled, poor baby, there there now...

Sure, you can make a decision to become homosexual. But in your heart you know it isn't right. Also, thoughts such as you have are a result of prior homosexual experiences, your age and your physical maturing, NOT because you were born trans sexual or whatever!

Or, yes, you could splatter your brains all over the wall with a 12 gauge, that's real smart too! Yep, that would fix everything: not only totally dead [and it takes a good bit of suffering before the death actually comes] then to find yourself cast into the dark pits of a fiery hell's torments. Yeah, there's a GREAT solution! Destroy a perfectly good life, never find out what life could have offered, die a miserable suffering death, then burn in hell forever. Yep, pure genius there!

What you truly need to do is get off the dime in your commitment to Jesus Christ! Saying you believe, reading some Scripture occasionally, a little church here & there is NOT Christianity! No, falling on your face before the Holy Lord God Almighty, the tender Mercy of the Blessed Son of God, and opening yourself up to the infilling of the Holy Spirit IS Christianity! Ask God to show you all that He has for you! Ask Him to show you NOW! Believe me, He won't be offended. Turn to Jesus with all your heart and He will hear you and enter in and fill you with all the love and purpose in your life that you can possibly handle!

Welcome, JD!!

I've heard what you say so many times but had not witnessed it myself. Fifteen years gives absolute voice to what is happening to our youth, throughout history and today. I've always said that one person can not truly understand another's sorrow or pain unless they have walked down the same path at one time or another, cried out to God and then followed Christ's teachings.

Excellent post and so direct that so many are afraid to state. Those I have spoken to as well have had some sort of horrid abuse in their lives. The main reason why I ask the questions I do. Some of the girls had been sexually abused by men or older boys and turned to homosexuality as a way out or possibly find someone 'less' abusive who would love them. A few of the boys demeaned and belittled by the women they were suppose to trust.

Finding that point of atrocity in one's life opens up doors not only to their 'forgotten' emotions and the dread, shame and rage so many attempt to hide from in any number of addictions but also finding that point opens up to forgiving the offender, praying for them and healing in one's mind especially when Christ is at the helm.

Originally Posted by Lawligator

Actually.. when I was a child.. my best friend and I didn't know any better and did things.. in secret.. didn't last long but we did it more then once. and I've had my parents dress me up in a dress before. lol T_T erhmm other then that.. I've always had an artistic view on things and been rather sensitive.. leaving me picked on threw highschool for being different and often being called gay because of gay sterio types..
It also did make me feel very gay for these sensitive feelings and type of person I am..

I'm beggining to understand that homosexuality is more of a tendency and a choice to follow through with or not.. (and really not what people/devil want you to think "something your born with") my hard part now.. is waiting for God to reveal a women to me that will leave me speachless in love and me being attracted to her.. (I currently still find men more attractive then women especially in the sense of genitalia, as I find the human vagina looks "messy", no offence to any women out their.. ) and I don't understand why homosexuality is a sin? the most I can come up with is because it's lustfull.. but so is same sex relationsships that are married?...

I have to apologize for being so late on response but I see there are wonderful posts for you!! A blessing to see indeed!

As far as being different, and sensitive, there should be more like you than there are. Instead we have the football jock who goes from girl to girl and when that isn’t enough he rapes the next one but gets off on a technicality so that the school can win their game. Or the cheerleader so bent on being first will kill the first in line so that she can win first place. Or the famous skater who didn’t like the second place setting would maim the opponent just to gain first place. Or the computer geek who looks down his or her nose at anyone around as being so beneath them. Pillars of society we should all aim to be more like? I think not. Gratefully, we have those who have sensitivity and common sense.

I had to smile at your messy’ comment when it comes to female genitalia. You are not the first young man I’ve heard this from nor will you be the last. And the smile is not to laugh nor to make fun but more interesting each time I hear it. Finding the guys genitals fascinating is just that, the interest, something you know something about, I’m afraid.

Lust does come under the category of homosexual sin but also for heterosexual sexual sin as well such as fornication, adultery, promiscuity, etc etc. Like one poster states, God made male and female…… He made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve or Eve and Ellen. His design did not include homosexuality, however, those determined to change the truth of God into a lie are given over to their reprobate minds. (Romans 1)

The biggest reason for one man and one woman together in marriage till death, second to obedience to God, was to keep sexual relations between the two pure as in no aids, or other STD's that can destroy a life.

Originally Posted by Giggles4God

I don't really know what to tell you except these things.

My husband is very sensitive, but he is still a man. He isn't gay. It is really sad and annoying to see society deem people who are not molded into the 'norm' to be this or that because of their uniqueness! Thank God you and my husband aren't normal! I'm not normal either! lol

I think one of the things why homosexuality is a sin is because it is a perversion of what God created. God made male and female. He told not only the animals, but Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiple. A man and a man OR a woman and a woman can not be fruitful and multiple. God did not make us that way.

I don't think the forums are a place to talk about body parts, but I think you need to do some study of what God has made.

God made you. He calls us to come as we are.

When you pray, do you decide when God will answer? Maybe there is something He is trying to tell you. I don't know what. Maybe He is trying to build you up...try to help you to have self control. Maybe He is trying to make you see how those things that you and your friend did and you parents having you wear a dress did to you. Even things like that can make you think things...and your mind can see things.

Do you keep a journal? Maybe you need to write out your thoughts. I write out my prayers. Who knows maybe that will help you.

I'm sure someone who has gone through this can help you better. I don't know what else to tell you.

God Bless you.

Thank you and God for this comment,

I think this entire time I've been praying and that's it aside from readings and studies and all that other junk I haven't really ever told anyone or tried to solve it..

I just wanted God to get rid of it and help me out. I've told my parents and my pastor now and their going to help me.

My mother said a verse the other day with something along the lines of "God helps those who help themselves", and I've been questioned a lot by people about why homosexuals have to go to hell and why can't everyone just be happy and free. Maybe God is going to use me in the homosexual community some day! I'm curious to see what'll happen. Right now.. I'm attempting my hardest to abstain from all homosexual thoughts,desires or anything related to not feed that part of me and let it wither.

Lord it would be so much easier if you sent me an angel <3 hehe
Then again it's not always about the easy way, he gives and takes away! ;)

One thing's for sure, Lawligator, you ain't no sissy! It took a lot of genuine GUTS to post what you did & I admire your fortitude & character. There's a real man in there somewhere, you just haven't found him yet hah! Then too, for Pete's sake buddy, you're only 17! Hey, give your life a little time to develop who & what you are, okay?

You're off to a fine start, because you aren't the type to simply cave in to pressure. You have stamina, and in your heart you know the right way and the Truth and you're willing to stand by it. Those strong qualities, though unseen by others, can open the door to a dynamic & meaningfull life filled with promise. Additionally, it seems you have a fine diamond of a quality about you: humility!

I happen to believe in a God of miracles, because He gave me no choice haaah! He took hold of my life and turned it around in a direction I never would have imagined and did some serious healing and countless miracles. Like the Scripture says,

"Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed in humility; for God resisteth the proud and giveth grace to the humble.

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon Him, for He careth for you.

Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

But the God of all grace, who has called us unto His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, and establish, strengthen, settle you. To Him be glory and dominion forever and ever, Amen." 1Peter 5:5-11

And know this: those 'troubling thoughts' have a 99% chance of having the devils as their source! I know for a personal fact they can plant screwy thoughts in your head, and they're always tossed into your weakness, because they've been studying you! They want you destroyed one way or another, so first the ragged sexual thoughts are sent, then if you resist, "Well then why don't you just kill yourself...? It's your only other choice..."

We don't have to put up with that stuff! I spend plenty of time casting the devils away from me. James, the half-brother of Jesus said it best:
"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." James 4:7

That doesn't say "...he might flee..." or "...maybe he'll flee..." or "...hopefully he'll flee...", no, in plain English spoken in the Word of God by the Holy Spirit himself inspiring the writer: "...he WILL FLEE from you!"

Hundreds here pray for you, brother, and know that the God of Truth is faithful to answer to bless His children in their need whatever it is. May the peace of His love overflow you like a river.