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    Murder Begins a Conception

    Murder Begins a Conception


    Psalm 139:13-16
    13. For thou hast possessed my reigns: thou hast covered me in my motherís womb.

    14. I will praise thee; marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

    15. My substance was not hid from thee when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

    16. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members where written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

    God says he writes the name of the baby in his book when it is still without form. Do you understand? When the baby still has no hands or feet or head, God says it is an individual and he writes it down in his book.

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    Murder is really farther back that at conception. If a "married" couple uses any form of birth control except the "temperature method" where the bride takes her temperature at specfic times to know when to have would be the time most likely to concieve a baby. That would also be a time to not make love. Any other method of birth control is killing a concieved child. A few methods of murder in the purest sense are birth control pills, shots, condoms, foams, iud's, and a host of other methods.This is a very strong statement I have made, but every method that interfers with conception, except the temperature method is a intentional, deliberate, intentional act of killing an fertilized egg, or aconcieved zygote. None the less if this zyoote attached itself to the wall of the uterus it would be a baby growing. Every method to prevent a fertilized egg from attaching itself to the wall of the uterus wall is murder. This is the purest way we can look at when conception takes place.May I say my wife and me were not aware of these facys when we got married 44 years ago. We felt angry when we were made aware of this only in the last decade. Some might say do you have any idea how may children a couple coulld have? Yes we do. However here is where I believe we have bought into the culture that says that we are over populating the world as is now. What I will say is God does supply and it is an act of faith and trust in the Lords promise to provide in Him if we FOLLOW HIS WAYS. Followinf HIS WAYS are tithing, becoming a genuine follower of Jesus Christ. Rejecting the worlds ways and culture. Do we need a new car every time ours needs a large repair? The Almish and Mennonite raise very large families, have transportation that is either bike, walking or horse and buggy. They are rather extreme, and I do noy feel that is for us for sure. But there groups of Mennonite that do have vehicles and electric, with many children and are blessed by the Lord beyond believe. They do put God first. I am a Baptist but do not agree with some of their belief's. My point is that the Lord walks ahead and leads....if we really follow his ways.....but very few of us have what it takes. My opinion is we are so deeply enmeshed is our culture and ways of earning a living, and so indebt, and fearfull of what others say, ...we can't take the risk to change and gain the faith it takes.Give my words some time to sink in and really think about a SIMPLE LIFE really means. I openly admit I find myself lacking a lot even if we were 40 years younger. But we just might have given it a gradual try.My main point is birth control (other than using temperature) is in a real sense is murder. Please know I am taking this to it's pureest form, yes it is extreme. But think, the Lord has a method that costs nothing, has no side effects on your wife, and murders no concieved egg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farout View Post
    Murder is really farther back that at conception. If a "married" couple uses any form of birth control except the "temperature method" where the bride takes her temperature at specfic times to know when to have would be the time most likely to concieve a baby. That would also be a time to not make love. Any other method of birth control is killing a concieved child. A few methods of murder in the purest sense are birth control pills, shots, condoms, foams, iud's, and a host of other methods.This is a very strong statement I have made, but every method that interfers with conception, except the temperature method is a intentional, deliberate, intentional act of killing an fertilized egg, or aconcieved zygote.
    Birth control is not murder. It cannot be murder as there is no distinct human being present that is being destroyed.

    ...birth control pills, shots, condoms, foams, iud's,...
    No explanation for "shots" is given. What kind of Shots? Be specific please.

    None of these methods "kill" a distinct human being. The egg has not been fertilized thus no baby can be formed to be written in any book.
    Only when the egg is fertilized, and survives to become a fetus do we have a human being that can be murdered.

    Estimates are that nearly 60% of all conceptions fail because the zygote never becomes properly implanted in the uterus. This happens naturally without any interference from anyone.
    Is that "murder"? Of course not. The woman would not even be aware of this happening.

    Do the menstruating woman, or boy who has a wet dream become complicit in murder? Of course not. There is no distinct, unique human being present being destroyed. Separate, unique life begins at conception, not before.

    There are extremely strong, and compelling arguments against abortion. Making statements that merely chuck out a few scriptures, or argue a point that has no science, or logic behind it does our movement no good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barabbas View Post
    Birth control is not murder. It cannot be murder as there is no distinct human being present that is being destroyed. No explanation for "shots" is given. What kind of Shots? Be specific please.None of these methods "kill" a distinct human being. The egg has not been fertilized thus no baby can be formed to be written in any book. Only when the egg is fertilized, and survives to become a fetus do we have a human being that can be murdered. Estimates are that nearly 60% of all conceptions fail because the zygote never becomes properly implanted in the uterus. This happens naturally without any interference from anyone.Is that "murder"? Of course not. The woman would not even be aware of this happening.Do the menstruating woman, or boy who has a wet dream become complicit in murder? Of course not. There is no distinct, unique human being present being destroyed. Separate, unique life begins at conception, not before.There are extremely strong, and compelling arguments against abortion. Making statements that merely chuck out a few scriptures, or argue a point that has no science, or logic behind it does our movement no good.
    My belief is any thing that prevents the Fertilized egg form attaching to the wall of the womb is preventing the zygote to become human. The shots are the depo that can mess a womans cycle for several months to a year or more. Unless sexual intercourse takes place there is no potential for killing a potential baby. Your statement about a menstruating woman and a male having a wet drean is irrelevant. many believe such as I that conception begins before the zigote attaches itself to the wall of the womb. I am by no means an expert, but my views are not unique.I am only stating what I believe, and anyone wishing to disagree or support similar or different points of views are welcome to do so. I know I can Biblically support my view point to the Lord, andafter all that is the ultimate test we each must stand or fall with. Thank you for your post and God bless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farout View Post
    My belief is any thing that prevents the Fertilized egg form attaching to the wall of the womb is preventing the zygote to become human.....many believe such as I that conception begins before the zigote attaches itself to the wall of the womb.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, they are just not entitled to their own facts. Now which is it? Human life begins when the Zygote is formed, or before the Zygote is formed?
    previously it was stated-

    Quote Originally Posted by farout View Post
    Any other method of birth control is killing a concieved child. A few methods of murder in the purest sense are birth control pills, shots, condoms, foams, iud's, and a host of other methods.
    Since none of these methods have a Zygote in place there can be no murder.

    Exactly when does life begin then?


    Quote Originally Posted by farout View Post
    I know I can Biblically support my view point to the Lord, andafter all that is the ultimate test we each must stand or fall with.
    What scriptures support this viewpoint?

    Just a side note- Appealing to "other people agree with me" is not a valid point in any discussion, or debate. One can easily find thousands who believe the Da Vinci Code is real, or that aliens built the pyramids. However that does not make it so.

    In the issue of conception, science, and scripture work hand in glove all the way showing us what is fact, or fallacy. Beliefs..don't enter into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barabbas View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, they are just not entitled to their own facts. Now which is it? Human life begins when the Zygote is formed, or before the Zygote is formed?previously it was stated-Since none of these methods have a Zygote in place there can be no murder.Exactly when does life begin then? What scriptures support this viewpoint?Just a side note- Appealing to "other people agree with me" is not a valid point in any discussion, or debate. One can easily find thousands who believe the Da Vinci Code is real, or that aliens built the pyramids. However that does not make it so.In the issue of conception, science, and scripture work hand in glove all the way showing us what is fact, or fallacy. Beliefs..don't enter into it.
    I fully agree with your last statement. When it comes to when conception takes place to the very instant, that's where what a person believes comes into play. There are many who are so solid on their opinion it's war to challenge them. I for one respect views that believe life is for sure when the zygote becomes attatched to the womb wall. I did say my view point was strict and beyond what many think. I admit that my opinion is hard for a good many to even consider. But, if birth control is used for the sole reason for keeping the zygote from implanting it is interfering with the natural way God creats life. This view is extreme. There are people who disagree totally with this view point. This is only a view point, to think about and give something to mull over.Birth control is a very personal issue, and for most men it is the responsibility of the wife. I will not even address tyhose having sex outside of marriage. I am by no means am trying to be snarky, or discounting your views or the Medical advancements. But there is a cost in emotions and we are accountable for our actions. The most important issue is no matter what we have done that we do have a loving Lord that never stops loving us. If anything I have said has offended you or anyone else, I sincerely am sorry. As I said from the start these are my views and my opinion. My view point is not without some very serious thought the way God intends for us to live and glorify the Lord. Thanks for you post's and I am so glad you are against abortion. God bless you.

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    Thanks for your reply brother. I take no offense at whatever is stated in a discussion.

    That said, the issue of condoms, IUD's, foams, and the Pill, for example, being considered murder is what is a bone of contention.
    Since at no time do they interfere with a Zygote being attached to the uterus, there is no murder taking place.

    If merely the act of preventing fertilization is to be considered murder then even the "temperature method" would fall into this category.

    We agree that life begins at conception, thus no act by anyone in preventing fertilization is to be considered a sin, nor murder.

    We must be careful how we explain our terms considering how emotional this issue has been made into by the leftists.
    Science, and Scripture must never be replaced by personal beliefs based on political ideologies, or old wives tales.

    The pro abortion factions look for every opportunity to showcase Christians as ignorant, science hatin' hillbillies.
    That is the only weapon they have. Logic, reasoning, and science are against them.

    Thank you for your understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric E Stahl View Post
    Murder Begins a Conception


    Psalm 139:13-16
    13. For thou hast possessed my reigns: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.

    14. I will praise thee; marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

    15. My substance was not hid from thee when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

    16. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members where written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

    God says he writes the name of the baby in his book when it is still without form. Do you understand? When the baby still has no hands or feet or head, God says it is an individual and he writes it down in his book.
    I'm definately gonna share these scriptures with my girlfriends, thanks for posting them. I agree about birth control its not a good thing.

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    Psa 119:73 Your hands made me and fashioned me; Give me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments.
    God made us the way we are, the color of our eyes, the color of our heair, how tall we are, none of this was by accident.

    Isa 43:7 Everyone who is called by My name, And whom I have created for My glory, Whom I have formed, even whom I have made."
    Isa 44:2 Thus says the LORD who made you And formed you from the womb, who will help you, 'Do not fear, O Jacob My servant; And you Jeshurun whom I have chosen.
    God formed us in our mother's womb before we were born.

    Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
    We are wonderfully made, truly the miracle of life.

    Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?

    Isa 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.

    Mat 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
    Nothing about us is an accident, even how much hair we have is ordained by him.

    God knew us before we were born, he made us the way we are.
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