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Originally Posted by Faith4Bride
Originally Posted by RJ
No one but Jesus entered heaven perfect! We are not perfect now and never will be in this physical world. If we could make ourselves perfect, what is there a need for Jesus.
You should always allow the Holy Spirit to convict you and try to improve when you think you have sinned. But to stay up with every sin you commit and do it 24/7, is impossible. What do you do when you sin and you didn't know it? I tell you God is absolute perfection, for instance, there is no negative or doub in his being. Negativity and doubt can not coexist with God. Are you ever doubtful about anything in your life or negative? Do you ask for forgiveness for each of those?
I am not talking about the "Nasty Five" or the "Dirty Dozen" but sin is sin; it is our imperfection that separates us from God.
Look, please understand that if you are "Born Again", it is the Holy Spirit that lives in you that seals your salvation with God. But, Paul himself said that we only know in part, meaning we only have the first fruits of the spirit; and we continue to sin to some degree.
And don't let some unbeliever say that if you don't make yourself "perfect" every day, then you don't care about sin! It's not that we don't look at our sin, we do but Grace is that God said he doesn't!
Go read Romans 7 and see what St. Paul said about his own sin, he certainly didn't die perfect!!! And then look at Roman 8:1 and see what Paul has to say about the outcome of his sin!!!
This is a well known, at leats I thought is was well known, this is a well known chapter where St. Paul describes his struggle with sin. And he then follows it with Ro 8:1. " For there is no condemnation for those in Jesus Christ."
When you see sin in your life, thank the Holy Spirit for revealing it to you and thank Jeus for what he did on the cross.
Please remember this one last thing, the "Finality of The Cross"!
Jesus died one time for all sin and for all of us. If you ritually go to God every day and seek forgiveness, the Bible says that is like asking Jesus to die on the cross all over again and much to his public shame!!!...And that ain't going to happen!
Yes, we have to constantly work at allowing the Holy Spirit to reveal all sorts of things in our lives, including sin but, rest assured my friend, you are forgiven! When you die and go to heaven, God will take one look at you and see Jesus Christ living in you and then he will make you perfect!
By the way, God does not say anything about you being perfect but he does say that you are blameless, Holy and Righteous!
To say that we are not now and never can be perfect is not scriptural. Can we be perfect without Jesus? NEVER- but with Him we indeed can be and are commanded to be. He said be perfect as I am perfect. He tells us that everyone that is perfect shall be as his master. but not above his master. Paul also commands us " be perfect". He also tells us that we are being made perfect by the Spirit.
Jiggy- amen we become perfect(mature) by growing in Christ from glory to glory. By having our sences excercised to move beyond milk and to recieve meat. To walk in obedience and importantly to partake of the sufferings of Christ- with patience- unto perfection.[/QUOTE]
No doubt we are called unto perfection, to strive to be perfect like Christ. There is no scripture that says that we become perfect in this life, on the contrary, the opposite is true:
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
St. Paul is stating that we are imperfect in this life but there will come a time, after we die, when our imperfection will leave and finally we achieve perfection and the full fruits of the Holy Spirit. At that time, we will look God in the face and know him perfectly. " Looking God in The Face" has a deep rooted meaning to the Jew and proves that we are not and can not be perfect in this life.
" I'll see you here or I will see you up there or I will see you in the air"!.....Beam me up , Lord!