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    Marriage, a failure of church & Christian

    As I sit here wondering why I am about to be dragged into a divorce by a Christian woman, I wonder why? And to answer the question before you ask, No, there is no biblical reason for her to seek a divorce unless she has been committing adultery on me during our separation.

    Why is it that the Christian divorce rates are equal to secular divorce rates? Is not marriage to a Christian man or woman also a Covenant with God as well? WHERE IS OUR FAITH, OUR CONVICTION, OUR SUBMISSION TO HIS WILL?

    When I was not a Christian, I divorced without care. But since I have been saved I find a Christian divorce is an abomination to me because it is to God. Why are so many Christians so willing to get divorced so freely, knowing that we are not meeting God's standard for a divorce and thereby knowingly sinning in God's face? Why are Christians so willing to disobey Jesus and throw our marriages away so easily? What is driving this tend?

    Is it the failure of the church? I mean many churches today only preach the feel good message. They don't talk about Jesus coming back as a Lion & judging people, casting the ones he does not know, or who were luke warm for him, into hell. Nor do they ban the sinful spouse who seeks the divorce from the church unless he/she repents. Its like well OK Joe (or Sue), just keep sending the check every week & you can get a divorce, Jesus will forgive you.


    Or is it simply the selfishness of ourselves who are to blame? We don't want to fight for the righteous act of keeping a marriage together anymore. No we would rather take the easy way out, even though it is a horrible sin that tears apart what God has joined together as well as crushes our children & other loved ones & families.

    I remind you, Faith without works is dead & dead faith equals hell. Use Jesus's blood not to just forgive your sins but to also be born again & to change your evil ways. What did Jesus say to the prostitute, the woman at the well, etc? He said, Go and sin no more. We can't keep sinning freely like this, as an individual Christian, as an individual church or as the body of Christ as a whole.

    It just fills me with anger & embarrassment that we who call ourselves Christians can disobey the Lord so easily & so often. Christian marriages should remain together 100% of the time. Even if we are having a "bad year" as Christians overall, maybe 95%. But to be consistently equal with the secular population at a 50% divorce rate, we are failing Christ beyond belief & our moral inability to witness to the secular people is at the very least, worthless and worse, part of the reason for all the immorality in the world.

    Think about it. Are we not damned if we continue on this path of selfish behavior? Is this not the most urgent thing Christians need to correct? Per God's command, Marriage is forever, right? A Christian Marriage glorifies God, a Christian divorce only bears false witness against God that he is impotent to keep marriage as a sacred & holy Covenant of his people, of his flock. Of course we know the truth, it is our selfish flesh we would rather serve then the Covenant of marriage & all of our past testimony for God all becomes nothing but hypocritical hype.

    So I ask you all, what can we do to start to change this downward to hell trend NOW?
    Last edited by MontanaCowboy; 04-22-09 at 12:58 AM. Reason: typos of course
    Is His sacred blood only to be used for forgiving us & we give nothing back? Or to change our selfish heart to love, serve & forgive?

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    My answer to your many questions..





    the answer to the mystery is in His Word..





    Psalm 42:7 Deep calls to deep.





    God bless your journey in Him, MCowboy,

    LoJ
    Allowed to run wild, neglected, or cultivated.. A man's mind brings forth. James Allen

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    There is a solution MC, but it get's confused with many of the religious activities that man has concocted. The solution is to grow in Christ and is quite different than growing in biblical knowledge or familiarity with religious liturgy and tradition.

    There are plenty of examples in the new testament scriptures that show these same differences. Jesus had around 500 followers at the time of His ascension, He also had at least 72 disciples, and yet a much smaller number of disciples that became His apostles. Was it scriptural knowledge that set them apart? Was it their obedience to the law and practice of religious tradition? Maybe it was their social skills or their commitment to gathering with each other frequently? Is it possibly their compassion towards others in need? No, it was none of these things, it was simply their level of intimacy with Christ.

    It seems that many today have it backwards. Many go to church, tithe, support missions, participate in liturgy faithfully, thinking that doing all these things will bring them closer to Christ. While it does make you a better church member it doesn't make you more intimate with Christ.

    One of my favorite accounts in Acts is found in chapter 4 verse 13. *
    Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
    Religion is an ugly tyrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggyfly View Post
    There is a solution MC, but it get's confused with many of the religious activities that man has concocted. The solution is to grow in Christ and is quite different than growing in biblical knowledge or familiarity with religious liturgy and tradition. *
    Jiggy, You hit the nail on the head. It is intimacy with Christ that makes our relationship with him effect you in the way he desires. We are the bride & we need to become 1 with our groom & to do so we must act as one with Him. Not live an independent worldly life with him as the groom of an unintended bride.
    Is His sacred blood only to be used for forgiving us & we give nothing back? Or to change our selfish heart to love, serve & forgive?

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    Yes!

    Without a true desire to please the Lord, which comes from an intimate relationship with Him, there is only selfishness to be had!


    God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

    This always helps keep things in perspective for me...may it bless you as well!

    Pray for her and wait upon the Lord.

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    A challenging question brother M/C

    Before I read your reply, I had copied brother jiggy's line

    No, it was none of these things, it was simply their level of intimacy with Christ
    I feel that sums it up.......We need to be more devoted to His cause, and relationship with Him.

    All are guilty !
    Jesus said "I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE"......Without the WAY there is no GOING, without the TRUTH there is no KNOWING without the LIFE there is no LIVING....Thats what Jesus said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaCowboy View Post

    When I was not a Christian, I divorced without care.
    That is it right there. Perhaps your wife had a false conversion. You can still memorize scripture and go to church even if you are not "truly" saved. You can even speak in tongues! Did you know that the head of Freedom from Religion, Dan Barker, was a pastor for 17 years? He could speak in tongues. He drove all over the country helping others get saved. He says he still has people send him letters and emails to thank him for helping them get saved.

    Now he is an athiest. He changed his mind.

    ??????????

    How does that happen if you have the Holy Spirit in you?

    It doesn't. Dan was never truly repentant of his sins. He was like the pharisees, the whitewashed tombs full of dead men's bones. (Matt. 23:27). Repentance and Faith go hand in hand. The New Testament has many entries (over 40) for Christians to repent (daily- gotta keep on top of it), and for new believers to repent. It is a crucial step for salvation. Faith alone does not get the job done. If you don't clean out your temple (repent) there is not room for God. You can't serve 2 masters.

    I know this because I was falsely converted when I was young. I skipped the repentance, and my life drifted away from what God wanted to whatever I wanted. A true Christian WANTS to replace their "self" for God. And in a true Christian marriage you desire the happiness of your partner, not your self. If they do the same, then it works great. When you marry, you join with God. That should cause people to jump out of bed in the morning and say "Praise God! And thank you for my loving husband/wife!!"

    I will pray for you brother. In some way, God will get Glory from this situation. Keep praying and staying in the word!

    Mae

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    Wonderful post Repent2bsaved, I could not agree with you more. Christians need to stop seeing Jesus's blood as free gift that holds no responsibility for its use. So much is aid b=about bearing fruit or being cut from the vine, even a window of opportunity can be argued from John 15 (I believe) from what Christ said while hanging on the cross.
    To many feel good do as you want & you are forgiven anyway believers out there. Tat is one of the reasons we are now hated, because so many false witnesses have tainted his blood & used his forgiveness to victimize many in his name.
    And I freely admit that I was one of them when I was a new Christian. But if you truly ask, seek & knock God will open your eyes to the wisdom of repentance & servitude.
    Blessings
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    Is His sacred blood only to be used for forgiving us & we give nothing back? Or to change our selfish heart to love, serve & forgive?

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    Being one who had a spouse walk out with out biblical cause I know how hurtful it can be.

    Intimacy begins with Christ. I have been hearing changes in how Christians see marriages and even dating. There is a trend amongst Christians that it is even okay to be intimate before marriage.

    One must go into the relationship the way God intended. With respect and honor for each other but most of all for HIM.

    If we begin a relationship with someone away from how God intended it to be then we are already starting off on the wrong foot. We can not expect God to bless us if we are intimate before marriage. Intimacy is meant to be for a husband and a wife. Christ is the husband and we are HIS bride.

    Our standards no longer reflect we are HIS it is being lead by the flesh not by the spirit. We justifiy what we are doing. How do I know this? Sad to say I also thought this way.

    Intimacy FIRST with Christ then He will show us who HE knows is right for us. Wait on His timing doing it HIS way.

    It is hard to understand but we each are givin free will. God hates divorce but HE wont make the other person stay no matter how much we want them too. BUT our Father WILL and does bring healing.
    He will turn mourning into laughter:giggle:

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    Quote Originally Posted by comingjoy View Post
    Our standards no longer reflect we are HIS it is being lead by the flesh not by the spirit.
    Exactly right. And very sad. We are in some evil, corrupt times. The last 20 years have really been all about me, me, me, more so than any other time in history.

    We must keep praying and holding each other up in prayer. We all need all the help that we can give each other. We can be comforted during these heartaches when we remember what Christ did to atone for us. Every time I think of Him being crucified, I just shudder imagining the pain, and I start to cry.

    But you are right, joy cometh in the morning!

    MontanaCowboy- Heaven awaits with no more tears or sorrow. Keep your eyes on Jesus.

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