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    God strictly forbids this!!

    I knew a person who use to work with me in my previous employment.(Co-worker) He told me that his uncle nearly died when a large jar fell off a cabinet and nocked him on the head.

    You may ask, how come, why? This uncle of my co-worker was playing a game with a group of people around a table. They were all trying to contact past deceased people. Things were slightly moving on the table, as they were playing this game. When this man got up from the table, a large jar fell off a cabinet and nearly killed him, when it hit him on the head. There was no way that it could have fallen over with out some evil force interference.

    I really don't know why people have to do these type of things, they must know it is not a good thing. I know it clearly states somewhere in the Bible that God forbids this type of activity. If you could assist me with some Bible verses, that would be very much appreciated.

    There are also shows on television that try and do much the same thing, by contacting deceased people. Many people get sucked into this way of thinking. It is not good. In my opinion. I always say that if it does not come from God, then it very likely can have evil connotations.

    These are my opinions, fill free to comment.

    God Bless,
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    Many Christians look at astrology charts, chinese astrology thinking its ok. Even though its not as heavy as conjuring up spirits, in God's eyes its the same.

    Bible talks against astrology.

    And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven (Deuteronomy 4:19).

    All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Here are no coals to warm anyone; here is no fire to sit by. That is all they can do for you—these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you (Isaiah 47:13-15).



    God warning to the Israelites about practicing the occult.

    I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people (Leviticus 20:6).


    When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God. The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not permitted you to do so (Deuteronomy 18:9-14).


    Everyone is obsess with the occult, we have tv shows where you can talk to your dead relatives, talking to demons is entertainment. When we go to these people we are actually opening doors for demonic influence. I didnt say possession, ( for those who say christians cant be demon possess )

    The idols speak deceit, diviners see visions that lie; they tell dreams that are false, they give comfort in vain. Therefore the people wander like sheep oppressed for lack of a shepherd (Zechariah 10:2).


    When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? (Isaiah 8:19).

    Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God (Leviticus 19:31).

    Defiled
    1. To make filthy or dirty; pollute: defile a river with sewage.
    2. To debase the pureness or excellence of; corrupt: a country landscape that was defiled by urban sprawl.
    3. To profane or sully (a reputation, for example).
    4. To make unclean or unfit for ceremonial use; desecrate: defile a temple.
    5. To violate the chastity of

    Our bodies is the temple of God, so when we do these activities we are desecrating or making ourself unfit for ministry.

    Do not practice divination or sorcery (Leviticus 19:26).

    We are not to practice anything dealing with the occult.

    Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds (Ezekiel 13:20).


    The King Saul consults a medium.
    1 Samuel 28:7
    7 Then Saul said to his servants, “Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.”
    And his servants said to him, “In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor.”

    Read 1 Samuel 28:3-25, for the full story.

    The Tragic End of Saul and His Sons

    1 Samuel 31:1-6

    1 Now the Philistines fought against Israel; and the men of Israel fled from before the Philistines, and fell slain on Mount Gilboa. 2 Then the Philistines followed hard after Saul and his sons. And the Philistines killed Jonathan, Abinadab, and Malchishua, Saul’s sons. 3 The battle became fierce against Saul. The archers hit him, and he was severely wounded by the archers.

    4 Then Saul said to his armorbearer, “Draw your sword, and thrust me through with it, lest these uncircumcised men come and thrust me through and abuse me.”
    But his armorbearer would not, for he was greatly afraid.

    Therefore Saul took a sword and fell on it. 5 And when his armorbearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword, and died with him. 6 So Saul, his three sons, his armorbearer, and all his men died together that same day
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    There are all kinds of scriptures that teach us not to participate in sorceries and astrology and the like. I do want to say that there is a difference between astrology and astronomy.Many people get them confused. Astronomy is the study of God's creation. The stars, planets, sun and moon ect.
    Magic and socceries and witchcraft and divination and things like this are strictly forbidden in scripture. Here are just a few...

    1Sa 15:23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king.

    2Ch 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

    Gal 5:20, 21 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    Envyings, murders, drunkeness,revellings,and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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    Yes rebellion is witchcraft.

    1 Samuel 15:22-24
    22 So Samuel said:

    “Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
    As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
    Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
    And to heed than the fat of rams.

    23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
    And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
    Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
    He also has rejected you from being king.”
    24 Then Saul said to Samuel, “I have sinned, for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD and your words, because I feared the people and obeyed their voice.


    And when people practice astology, or anything of the occult they reject God. They disobey his commands.

    Ouji boards,
    Role playing games like Dungeons and dragons

    I use to play a game called Soul Calibur, suprisely I was really good ( I hate video games) every time I won my character would tell the loser " Your Soul is Mine "
    One day I was playing with my brother, and I kept yelling ." Your soul is mine your going to lose " repeatly...

    When the game said it with its theatrical voice, it was funny. But coming out from my mouth it felt wierd. I lost the game and his character laughed in victory because he won my soul.

    Seriously, what can of stupid game was I entertaining. That night all I saw was those characters yellin I got your soul.

    Praise God, I don't play videos.
    I courage everyone that have soul calibur or any fantasy role playing game to really discern the message behind it.
    Truth is stranger than Fiction-unknown
    Test all things -1Thess5:21

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    Good article from gotquestions.org regarding occult, astrology, etc. related matters.

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    Ghosts, hauntings, séances, tarot cards, Ouija boards, crystal balls--what do they have in common? They are fascinating to most people because they seem to open the window into a curious and unknown world that lies beyond the assumed limits of our physical existence in this lifetime. And to many, such things seem no more dangerous than opening a window in their homes.

    Many that approach these subjects from non-biblical perspectives talk about the existence of ghosts and hauntings by the spirits of dead people who, for whatever reason, have not gone on to the “next stage.” These same people talk about three different kinds of hauntings: (1) residual hauntings (likened to video playbacks with no actual interaction with any spirits); (2) hauntings by human spirits, with those spirits being a combination of good and bad (but not evil), similar in nature to people we meet in life. Some may be simply wanting to get a person’s attention, others may be pranksters, but in either case they do not truly harm people; and (3) interaction with non-human spirits or demons. These demons can sometimes masquerade as good-intentioned human spirits and are harmful and dangerous.

    When reading material on ghosts and hauntings from such non-biblical sources, please remember that just because an author may refer to the Bible or to Bible characters (such as Michael the archangel), it does not mean they approach the subject from a biblical perspective. When no authority is given for an author’s information, the reader has to ask himself, “How does he/she know this to be so?” For example, how does an author know that demons masquerade as good-intentioned human spirits? How does he know that it is good to ask advice from “Spirit Helpers” while at the same time it is important not to “invite a spirit to manifest its presence” at a séance because it may be a demon? If demons can masquerade as good-intentioned human spirits, how can one tell whether his “spirit helper” is telling the truth about its identity or is truly a demon seeking to confuse and deceive? How can one be sure? Ultimately those who address such subjects from non-biblical sources must base their understanding on either their own thoughts, the thoughts of others, and/or the experiences of the past. But based upon their own words (that demons are deceiving and can imitate benevolent human spirits), experiences can be deceiving! Ultimately, if one is to have a right understanding on this subject, he must go to a source that has shown itself to be accurate 100% of the time - God’s Word, the Bible. Let’s take a look at what the Bible has to say about such things.

    1. The Bible never speaks of hauntings. Rather, when a person dies, the spirit of that person is brought into one of two places. If the person is a true believer (not one who merely knows ABOUT Jesus, but one who has established a living relationship with Christ through faith), his spirit is ushered into the presence of Christ in heaven (Philippians 1:21-23; 2 Corinthians 5:8) and he will be reunited with his body (after it has been transformed into an immortal body at the time Christ “snatches” away his own from the coming judgment upon the earth at the time of the rapture [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18]). If one is not a believer in Christ and does not have his name written in the Lamb’s book of life, his spirit is put in a place of torment (Luke 16:23-24) that we call hell, to await his sentencing for his works in what is called the “Great White Throne Judgment.” (No one measures up to God’s righteous standard on the merit of their works, according to Romans 3:10-23.)

    At that time he is also reunited with his body and is cast into eternal torment in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10-15). But whether a person is a believer or an unbeliever, there is no returning to our present world to communicate and interact with people, even for the purpose of warning people to flee from the judgment to come (Luke 16:27-31). There are only TWO recorded incidents in which a dead person interacts with the living. The first is when King Saul of Israel tries contacting the deceased prophet Samuel through a medium (or witch)...contrary to God’s command. God allows Samuel to be disturbed long enough to pronounce judgment upon Saul for his repeated disobedience (1 Samuel 28:6-19). The second incident is when Moses and Elijah interact with Jesus when he is transfigured in Matthew 17:1-8.

    2. Scripture speaks REPEATEDLY of good and bad angels moving about unseen (Daniel 10:1-21), but also as interacting with living people at different times, even to the point of evil spirits actual possessing people (dwelling within them and controlling them...see Mark 5:1-20, for example). Good angels, on occasion, appear to people as well (Acts 5:17-20; 12:3-11). The four Gospels and the Book of Acts are filled with many incidents of demon possession and of good angels appearing and aiding believers. Angels, both good and bad, can cause unusual natural and supernatural phenomenon (Job 1-2, Revelation 7:1; 8:5; 15:1; 16).

    3. Scripture repeatedly shows that demons know things that the people around them are apparently unaware of (Acts 16:16-18; Luke 4:41). Because these evil angels have been around a long time, they would know facts that those living limited life spans would not. Because Satan has access to God’s throne at the present (Job 1-2), the demons may also be allowed to know some specific events that pertain to the future...but this is speculation on my part.

    4. Scripture speaks repeatedly of Satan being the father of lies and a deceiver (John 8:44; 2 Thessalonians 2:9) and that he also can disguise himself as an angel of light. Likewise, those who follow him, whether human or otherwise, do the same (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

    5. Satan and demons have great power (compared to humans) (again see Mark 5:1-20; Acts 19:13-16), even to the point where Michael the archangel trusts only in God’s power when dealing with Satan (Jude 1:9). But Satan’s power is nothing compared to God’s (Acts 19:11-12; Mark 5:1-20, etc.) and God is actually able to use Satan’s evil intent to bring about His good purposes (1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 12:7).

    6. God commands us to have NOTHING to do with anything that smacks of the occult, devil worship or involvement with the spirit world through the use of mediums, séances, Ouija boards, horoscopes, tarot cards, channeling, etc. He considers all of these an abomination (Deuteronomy 18:9-12; Isaiah 8:19-20; Galatians 5:20; Revelation 21:8). And those who involve themselves in such invite disaster (Acts 19:13-16).

    7. The example set by Scripture in dealing with items that pertain to the occult (books, music, jewelry, games dealing with the occult, and other occult objects) is to confess the involvement with such as sin and burn the items (Acts 19:18-19).

    8. The main source of release from the power of Satan is through salvation through the believing of the gospel of Jesus Christ (Acts 19:18; 26:16-18). And if one will not believe the Word of God, there is no other source of the truth they will believe, even if it came from one who rose from the dead (Luke 16:31). If one attempts to get rid of Satan and his evil angels involvement in his life without this, it is futile, as one merely leaves an empty dwelling place for even worse demons to return to in the future (Luke 11:24-26). But when a person comes to Christ for the forgiveness of their sin through His shed blood, the Holy Spirit comes to abide and remain until the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30). The other main weapon would be simple prayer in total dependence upon God, even as Michael the archangel exemplified in Jude 1:9.

    In view of the MULTITUDE of passages dealing with involvement of the unseen demonic world with the present world in contrast with the TWO recorded incidents involving interaction between the living and those who have died, and considering that the dead cannot visit the living without permission and that permission is not lightly given (Luke 16:27-31), it would seem best to understand ghosts, hauntings, “spirit helpers,” voices at séances, etc. (besides those which are the mere illusions created by charlatans) as the work of demons. Sometimes these demons may have no intent to conceal their nature, and at other times they may seek to deceive by appearing as human spirits in order to generate credibility for the lies they seek to spread and the confusion they seek to cause.

    Again, God states it is foolish to try to consult the dead on behalf of the living or to consult with those who say they have an inside track on the future when instead one can actually consult with the wisdom of the living God (Isaiah 8:19-20). And if God considered the occult practices of contacting the spirit world for wisdom or guidance for the future an abomination worthy of judgment in Moses' time (Deuteronomy 18:9-12), then God who does not change considers it so today (Malachi 3:6; Hebrews 1:12) and those who ignore this do so to their own hurt. Lastly, again, the largest weapon in God’s arsenal for freeing people from Satan’s kingdom is the Good News of Jesus Christ.

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    Thank you for all your replies.
    Your comments have been very helpful.

    It is amazing that people still love watching these type of shows on television. Unfortunately, many of these people have not been brought up in the Christian faith, or have rejected the the true Word of God, so they get persuaded easily.
    I can only pray for these people, as they are only harming themselves by getting involved with trying to contact the dead. God does strictly forbids these activities, as stated by the many Bible verses that you kindly posted in your replies.

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    satan looks for the chance to enter our minds and even take over them or with the child of god plant seeds of doubt.
    i also believe these things are very evil and not just fooling around.
    these are life and death things. spiritual life and spiritual death.
    we should never foll with evil things of this nature and always tell others are dangerous they are. our battle is mainly in our minds. we must be very careful what we allow our minds to see and act in.
    many games and shows are satanic in nature.even cartoons.
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    Thank you "spirit1st" for your comments.You are absolutely right when you say that these television programs have evil connotations.

    When fooling around with contacting the dead through a medium or in any way, it is playing with fire. God strictly says no to these type of activities.I firmly believe that when a Christian person dies, this person is in the total care of God, and should be respected as such.
    Anyway, thanks again for comments.

    Life49

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    The topics that are mentioned on this thread are not as subtle as many other forms of sin. All sin is deadly and separates us from fellowshiping with God.
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    Re: God Strictly Forbids This

    Many, many people (Christians included) fall into the devil's trap when he whispers in their ears, "Oh, its only a game/ a TV show/ a movie. Its harmless." The messages of those things are always lodged in our subconscious brains to influence our thinking. They are not harmless!

    Tell your friends to Google "Psychology" and read up on subliminal messaging.

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