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My fiance's dad killed himself, and his brother, and their father, and so on before......... now I feel those beings that cause suicide are after not only my fiance but me as well............ God isn't responding very angry about it for 15 years........... this stuff is hard hitting us........ the spirit of suicide won't go away type of thing what can or do we do to destroy them or stop it from happening?
Yes, you can pray for the spirit of suicide to go away, but you also have to figure out what is the source of the thoughts. Why did the people kill themselves?
It also sounds like a generational curse. Now, some people don't believe in those, but it can happen. You need to rebuke the devil and tell him to flee in Jesus' name. It doesn't matter how many times you have to tell him, just every time the thoughts come you do it.
And when you DO start thinking of suicide...you need to change your thoughts.
Start quoting scripture, sing worship songs. Get your mind off the thoughts of suicide and onto God.
The above post by Giggles4God is 100% solid counsel.
God visits [brings judgment] the iniquity [sins] of the God-hating fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. (Exodus 20:5, 34:7; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 5:9 KJV)
The above passage describes a biblical principle that is being exploited by those in service to satan. You've probably heard that in those families with a father who is a drunkard, the children are 20 times more likely to be drunkards, as well. It is a generational spirit, that is, a spirit of drunkenness which comes down through the family line because some family member in authority, at some time, "opened the door" to it and gave it the authority to do so.
now I feel those beings that cause suicide are after not only my fiance but me as well
Yes, indeed, those beings are after you.
The good news it that if you are a born again follower of Jesus Christ, and you lay claim to the authority that is yours through Christ, then the buck stops with you. The foul spirit can be stopped.
Further, you might like to know that the people who currently run this planet (albeit for a season) are multi-generational satanists precisely because they WANT those familial spirits to remain in their bloodline. Why? Because these devils promise them the power they covet. These families are who the Holy Bible says they are; they are the "rich men of the earth," the "merchants." They marry not for love but for genetics. These people are fundamentally involved in "genetic engineering," if you will, as they seek to maintain a genetic lineage that includes the presence of these powerful devils. It is their religion!
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you guys are very wrong about someone being punished over their forefathers actions/sin. all this curse thing is non sense pagan stuff.
What God says in His word is:
(Deu 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
ok. i see christian are stuck in these pagan curse things which God said wont be the case many times in bible.
also that open door stuff for bad spirit is another unbiblical thing. you cant find anything even near from bible to support such beliefs so hence they are man made up thinkings again.
there maybe evil spirit however attacking but bible doesnt teach any of this man made junk about evil spirit with open doors and generational curse but the very opposite is true.
What Jari said, plus, from experience, when the thoughts enter, take action and start walking or getting active and praying at the same time. Poof, feel better and its gone. Regular exercise strengthens the mind and prayer strengthens the spirit. Put on the full armor of God.
The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him. - Ezekiel 18:20
Yet he did not put their sons to death, but acted in accordance with what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the LORD commanded: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sins."- 2 Chronicles 25:4
When the disciples came upon a lame man, they asked, "Lord, who sinned that this man should be born lame, his father or his mother?" Since the 'generational curse' understanding of Moses' declaration was the nominal Jewish perspective on the matter, I'm going to go ahead and accept that these things can happen. The good news is that Jesus came specifically to destroy the works of the evil one and to bring us abundant life.
Some people never encounter generational curses; awesome! Some people, though, are born into evil so thick and tangible that it manifests physically. At that point, denying what's before their eyes becomes a matter of delusion. Pointless theological debates at that point become a stalling tactic used by the devil to prevent a captive from being set free. Let's not let this thread be used like that.
Suicidal thoughts definitely come from somewhere.
It may be that some counseling is in order: think about it, a safe place with a trusted person where you can get all of this off your chest and receive personalized advice on a regular basis. The fact that you're mentioning your struggle on a message board at least indicates that counseling may be a good thing.
Another possibility is that if despondency runs in your family, there may be a clinical problem. I know that prescriptions are handed out like candy these days, but that misappropriation doesn't change the fact that some people have chemical imbalances. Taking a pill for actual, factual clinical depression is no different than taking a pill for hypothyroidism or prenatal vitamins. The fact is that our brains need certain levels of specific chemicals, and if we don't have them, then we're liable to do all sorts of crazy things because we'd essentially have the brain function of a drunk person. Don't be ashamed of at least checking to see if this isn't the case.
And, of course, the issue could very well be spiritual. Demons are the spiritual equivalent of parasites; they feed on misery, and they will do their darnedest to keep the misery river flowing. What most people attempt to do is simply starve them by positive thinking and avoidance, and there certainly is a need for closing open doors. But the most effective way to handle spiritual conflict that we see in Scripture is the one thing most people shrink from: direct confrontation.
Sometimes direct confrontation is a grand spectacle (like when I turned my back on my ancestral witchcraft), but other times it's nothing more than clinging to Jesus. When we start to think that OUR faith and OUR righteousness or any other of OUR attributes contribute to the victory, then the devil has already won. He's not looking for a kingdom--he's been defeated--he's looking for a hideout. He'll settle for a temporary shelter. Colossians 3:3 says that our lives are hidden with Christ in God--the mental picture that always gave me was Jesus holding me tightly inside a giant bubble that says GOD. It is in this way that the name of the LORD is a strong tower; those who are His righteousness run into His Name and are safe (incidentally, the teenagers I work with didn't understand the true significance of hiding in a strong tower, so since we live in Tornado Alley, USA, I told them instead of a strong tower, to think of the name of Jesus as a storm cellar--that got it for them!).
Reach out to Jesus, the image of the Living God, with every fiber of your being, and He will hold you in His grace and love.
No matter what the true source is or which avenue you pursue, if your family is struggling with suicide, they need help yesterday. The worst possible thing at this point is inaction.
I have heard of generational curses and I've seen the scripture, however, I don't know it off the top of my head. The thing is, I've always been taught that the sins of the Mother or Father do not follow the children. If I steal and lie, that is my sin. If I've murdered someone, that is on me. God doesn't look at my children and say, 'Look what your mother did, since she did it, you are just as bad.' We all are responsible for our OWN sin. In saying that, it kinda makes the generational curse not make sense. Wouldn't a generational curse mean that the child is carrying on the sin from the parent? I have to agree with Jari on all of this..
Just my two cents
Tina
Originally Posted by jari
you guys are very wrong about someone being punished over their forefathers actions/sin. all this curse thing is non sense pagan stuff.
What God says in His word is:
(Deu 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
ok. i see christian are stuck in these pagan curse things which God said wont be the case many times in bible.
also that open door stuff for bad spirit is another unbiblical thing. you cant find anything even near from bible to support such beliefs so hence they are man made up thinkings again.
there maybe evil spirit however attacking but bible doesnt teach any of this man made junk about evil spirit with open doors and generational curse but the very opposite is true.