Originally Posted by Green Berean

When the disciples came upon a lame man, they asked, "Lord, who sinned that this man should be born lame, his father or his mother?" Since the 'generational curse' understanding of Moses' declaration was the nominal Jewish perspective on the matter, I'm going to go ahead and accept that these things can happen.

you cant take what jews believe and make it equal to God's word (the bible). and in this case it seems you are making it over the bible.


(2Ti 4:3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
(2Ti 4:4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

(Tit 1:14) Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

yeah it was jewish thinking and it was also contrary to the bible. i think you really should study the parts where it says father does cause sons to have sins etc. it seems very much against what jews thought and it was what God had already corrected them with. But apparently they stick to those beliefs.

Originally Posted by Green Berean

Some people never encounter generational curses; awesome! Some people, though, are born into evil so thick and tangible that it manifests physically. At that point, denying what's before their eyes becomes a matter of delusion. Pointless theological debates at that point become a stalling tactic used by the devil to prevent a captive from being set free. Let's not let this thread be used like that.

Great post after the generational part that is

If you were to remove that part, even though the thread deals with generational curses, what follows from your post would be most helpful. By even mentioning it, unless you place it in the vein of irrelevance regardless of the position. Then proceed with the rest, the individual might be able to receive the benefit of your words without having to choose which position is the more valid one.

Myself, after reading Ezekiel 18:20 and Jeremiah 31:29-32 and realizing that much that is identified as generational curses is only God's foreknowledge of future events. However, if generational curses were true, as a believer who is born again, my lineage now starts from that moment in time thereby negating any generational curse. Nothing can dirty up being washed by the Blood of the Lamb.

You are quite correct in stating that the devil utilizes any tactic available to keep the unbeliever in bondage. Even if it takes setting brothers against brothers in Christ Jesus in a theological exercise that provides another stumbling block to the unbeliever by diverting their attention to what is irrelevant to their current state of sin. To the unbeliever, generational curses and its effect in their lives is in truth nothing compared to not having Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior whose blood has cleansed us. Which should be our main focus with any person who is doubt.

Once again great post.
C4E

I edited this because I wanted to add these verses in prayer to the one who is troubled, be it from suicidal tendencies or anything else.

Romans 5:3-5 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Psalm 18:2-3 The LORD [is] my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, [and] my high tower. [3] I will call upon the LORD, [who is worthy] to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.

1 Peter 1:6-9 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: [7] That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: [8] Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see [him] not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: [9] Receiving the end of your faith, [even] the salvation of [your] souls.

Proverbs 29:25 The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.


Psalm 73:26 My flesh and my heart faileth: [but] God [is] the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.

2 Thessalonians 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep [you] from evil.

Nahum 1:7 The LORD [is] good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Psalm 91:1-2 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. [2] I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

Originally Posted by goldbaby777

............ God isn't responding very angry about it for 15 years...........

I don't wish to appear insensitive to your problem but I must say that God not responding as of yet doesn't mean there won't be a response. In my own life, I had a serious, though non-lethal, problem in my family that I began to cry out to Him about circa 1996. The answer/resolution did not begin to unfold until last October (2011) and it continues to unfold today. This process taught me the importance of patience and the importance of understanding Is 55:8-9.

SLE

I don't want to exacerbate the disagreement, because it's largely a pointless one. It just seems that some folks can't see the forest for the trees, so I'll do my best to simplify: Generational curses are not the sin, guilt, or blame being passed on, but the consequences. We see this with AIDS, drug addiction, psychosis, and other disorders; not all generational bondage is spiritual.

Originally Posted by Green Berean

I don't want to exacerbate the disagreement, because it's largely a pointless one. It just seems that some folks can't see the forest for the trees, so I'll do my best to simplify: Generational curses are not the sin, guilt, or blame being passed on, but the consequences. We see this with AIDS, drug addiction, psychosis, and other disorders; not all generational bondage is spiritual.

You may not have wanted eacerbate the discussion yet oddly you have in this post.

So diseases then can fall under generational curses? Which would lead to others questions if there are exceptions.

From what I can gather from what you've said. Then being a believer or not is irrelevant to the generational curse, by example the sin of Adam can then be inferred as being one such example. Let me know if I have this wrong, since you've seemed to have coupled disorders with other illnesses', sickness', or ailments by utilizing Aids and don't want to misconstrue what you're trying to say.
C4E
Proverbs 27:17

Originally Posted by Green Berean

I don't want to exacerbate the disagreement, because it's largely a pointless one. It just seems that some folks can't see the forest for the trees, so I'll do my best to simplify: Generational curses are not the sin, guilt, or blame being passed on, but the consequences. We see this with AIDS, drug addiction, psychosis, and other disorders; not all generational bondage is spiritual.

i thought we were talking about the bible and not medical sciense.

you should be more precise on where your coming from, this is after all christian forum so assumption was this is spiritual. and what spiritual things inherit as generational curse? none. i think you just want to have your view instead of basing it in scripture, you certainly cannot base it in sciense and say suicide has something to do with spiritual generation curse. only physical "curses" are possible to inherit via the physical, the flesh, the dna.

Well, I did something with the name of the Holy Trinity, I said "My wicked enemy is on a tight rope that I cut in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." started getting attacked this morning the following morning from when I did it, I shouldn't be so carnal with my weapons against evil but they make me angry because of their unworthy arrogance....... I wish I had weapons against the adversary that are so effective I would have made them flee by now lol :) Praise God that he has already delivered me from them though through faith in the blood of the lamb of God, Amen.

Originally Posted by goldbaby777

My fiance's dad killed himself, and his brother, and their father, and so on before......... now I feel those beings that cause suicide are after not only my fiance but me as well............ God isn't responding very angry about it for 15 years........... this stuff is hard hitting us........ the spirit of suicide won't go away type of thing what can or do we do to destroy them or stop it from happening?

Dear Friend in Jesus.

I reach out to you in the Lord as I write........I have ministered to many.....over many years. I ask you.....what have you been involved with (spiritually)? Such as you mention cannot cause harm.......unless access has been given.

Retrace your steps........Break the association.

Send me a p.m. I pray regularly with friends.....God be with you.....He will ......as you look unto Him.

I have been recently up to spiritual warfare foolishly starting it 5 years ago with someone and then someone else...... Someone told me to pray today out of the blue, please pray everyone that nothing has gone wrong with my to be wife and that she comes home soon..... I've been fighting the adversary sometimes in the past the wrong way, with a witchcraft (I quit doing it a while ago)....... Please pray for me.... and pray for my to be wife that we are set free the both of us from the adversaries and from all evil.... Amen

Green Berean said it best:

[Point #1:]

Generational curses are not the sin, guilt, or blame being passed on, but the consequences.

[Point #2:] And the ongoing presence of the respective devils themselves yet remains to be dealt with.