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    Psychotropic drugs = Pharmakeia = Sorcery?

    I've heard this argument, several times lately, and was looking for a discussion. In the original Greek text, the word for sorcery was pharmakeia - and we parallel that with the pharmaceutical drugs, on the market today.

    Psychotropic drugs are defined by the action they have in the brain, altering the chemistry, to release or inhibit the flow of neurotransmitters like serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine for example. All of this for therapeutic help for those with a chemical imbalance.

    When the Bible was referring to sorcery, these people would purposely seek altered states of consciousness to get more in touch with the spirit world, or for the euphoric properties.

    Now, some people are trying to claim that using anti-depressants or anti-psychotics to control a disorder is equivalent to sorcery. Ask yourselves, would God really condemn a person suffering from bipolar disorder who just wanted to control his periods of severe depression or stop his mania from doing something they would regret? Or is it a sin for a schizophrenic to take drugs to block out the part of their brain which is responsible for the delusion?

    The list goes on and one. Granted, these drugs come with many risks and can, in rare cases, have serious side effects. The difference I see here is that one set of drugs seeks to fix a chemical imbalance, or regulate the neurotransmitters in the brain to control sanity.

    Other illicit drugs like weed, coke, lsd, magic mushrooms etc - the user takes for the sole purpose of getting ''high'' and exploring their consciousness. And in turn, this opens people up to demonic oppression/possession. This use of drugs fits the description of sorcery / pharmakeia more accurately at least for me.
    Now, God be praised, that to believing souls gives light in darkness, comfort in despair.- William Shakespeare

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    I agree. interesting definition of sorcery there btw. i have thought the same while reading bible but never studied it.
    even drinking coffee, could be "sorcery". - in sense of getting high.
    glad were talking about about something fairly mild stimulant here (coffee) so it goes in moderation. but too much of that would be bad for you as well.

    i dont see pharmacy in anyway sorcery it self or sin.... depends what it does for your though. if you take pills for depression or pills for agression or whatever and it does just that it cant be bad.
    but do we know the side effects?

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    Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

    Do these things go into or come out of a man?

    Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.


    Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

    However if you are going to burden yourself with rules then don't break them:
    Romans 14:14 know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that
    there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

    Whatever is not of faith is sin.
    Friends are for comfort and protection,
    enemies are for learning perfection

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    Yea jari good point. By the same logic, we could say that coffee is sorcery, because of the dopamine it releases in the brain. I mean where do we draw the line?
    Now, God be praised, that to believing souls gives light in darkness, comfort in despair.- William Shakespeare

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    The Power

    1Cr 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

    There is a lot of wisdom in this verse: "...I will not be brought under the power of any."

    My past is no longer my present, nor is it my future...
    Bless the Lord, Oh my soul!

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    Science these last hundred years has progressed. I used to believe in the notion that the majority of drugs from pharma (This & last century) were born out of eugenics. I knew little and believed few. We had the inquisitions and many were put to death because of the herbal remedies they made.

    Sorcery is the use of spells and incantations when making potions for a specific benefit or downfall. I totally understand why one would consider the majority of pharma companies using sorcery as part of their making of the drugs we use. What if it was true and not just conspiracy theory?

    We have become a medicated society, some self-medicate through illicit drugs, yet some need specific medication to stay well and live longer and to manage life.

    We need to have a balanced point of view in this. I use medication to control my Bi-Polar and have used them for years and not had one Psychotic episode since. There are benefits from the medication we use. If you were a diabetic you would use insulin, if you had a heart bypass with valves you would use warfarin to thin the blood and the list goes on.

    Just some of my thoughts.

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    my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge

    I've heard this argument, several times lately, and was looking for a discussion.
    Indeed, you and I have already discussed this in fair length. My wife and I have had an addictions ministry for many years. Perhaps there are others reading this now who wish to be freed from the bondage.

    In the original Greek text, the word for sorcery was pharmakeia - and we parallel that with the pharmaceutical drugs, on the market today.
    The term "the original Greek" is misleading, as there are dozens of sources of "it." But the "pharmaceutical" equivalency is nonetheless correct.

    Psychotropic drugs are defined by the action they have in the brain, altering the chemistry, to release or inhibit the flow of neurotransmitters like serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine for example.
    Correct, in part.

    The Word of God tells us that the love of money is the root of all evil, rich men oppress the poor, and merchants are equated with thieves. And the transnational drug corporations are among the richest merchants on the planet. They are dynastic blood-lined multi-generational satanists with incredible wealth and dominion who love money far more than they love you or me.


    All of this for therapeutic help for those with a chemical imbalance.
    However, this is where the deception begins. No, it's not about any "therapeutic help." It's about manipulation; it's about control. For as [a man] thinketh in his heart, so is he... (Proverbs 23:7 KJV). So it's first and foremost a spiritual battle for the mind.

    The word "therapeutic" means "pertaining to the healing of disease." Mister M.D.'s version of a disease "cure" is shameless: cut it out (surgery), burn it out (chemo), or poison it out (drugs). How their patient became afflicted in the first place is never seriously explored. Likewise with the phony claim that alcohol-ism is also a "disease" (rather, drunkenness is a sin).

    Why do folks look to man for their healing, when God is our only Healer?

    Exodus 15:26, ...if thou wilt indeed hear the voice of the LORD thy God, and do things pleasing before him, and will hearken to his commands, and keep all his ordinances, no disease...shall I bring upon thee, for I am the LORD thy God that heals thee.

    Exodus 23:25, And thou shalt serve the LORD thy God, and I will bless thy bread and thy wine and thy water, and I will turn away sickness from you.

    Deuteronomy 7:12,15, And it shall come to pass when ye shall have heard these ordinances, and shall have kept and done them, that...the LORD thy God shall remove from thee all sickness.


    When the Bible was referring to sorcery, these people would purposely seek altered states of consciousness to get more in touch with the spirit world, or for the euphoric properties.
    Of course. And such has not changed through time; it's the same today. And today's pharmaceuticals are also just as addictive.

    Now, some people are trying to claim that using anti-depressants or anti-psychotics to control a disorder is equivalent to sorcery.
    If you buy into the "disorder" dia-gnosis (an occult term), then you also buy into the control trip that it is designed to implement i.e. one sin deceptively opens the door to another. This is how satan creates a bondage loop; he doesn't have to kill you outright, he can merely steal your walk. However, the Lord says,

    Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body... Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:12-15 KJV)

    Ask yourselves, would God really condemn a person...
    Rather, ask God!

    ...condemn a person suffering from bipolar disorder...
    The one you have submitted to is the one in control, e.g. the "medical professional" who told you that you have a "chemical imbalance" that needs to be treated with his drugs. The Word of God warns us that there is a form of obedience which leads to death. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? (Romans 6:16 KJV)

    ...condemn a person suffering from bipolar disorder who just wanted...
    All of us "just wanted;" it's our collective sinful nature. But that doesn't make it right. Rather, God's will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. (Matthew 6:10 KJV)

    ...to control his periods of severe depression or stop his mania from doing something they would regret?
    As you've handed over that control to the one behind the making of the drugs, the end result is indeed out of your hands. BTW, a MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) must accompany every drug the merchant sells. When one checks the list of side-effects, one will note that the drug can (and often does) cause the very symptoms it would purport to prevent e.g. depresson, suicide, schizophrenia, mania, ad nauseum.

    Or is it a sin for a schizophrenic to take drugs to block out the part of their brain which is responsible for the delusion?
    Firstly, do not automatically accept the M.D.'s label of "schizophrenic," because then you will render unto him... Secondly, why would a born again believer (or anyone) want to "block out part of their (God-given) brain"? Thirdly, we must be willing to look closer at who "is responsible for the delusion."

    A story in John chapter 5 bears repeating. In Jerusalem, at Bethesda pool, there was a great multitude of afflicted people (blind, lame, withered) waiting for the seasonal moving of the water by an angel, which imparted curing properties to the water. The first one to enter, after the angel, was the one who became healed. The story continues in verses five and six:

    And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? (John 5:6)

    To some, Jesus' question seems a bit redundant; it would seem obvious that the man was there to be healed. Nevertheless, Jesus asked him the question.

    You'd think if the guy was serious about getting healed, he surely would have been able to get someone to take him into that pool at some point in that 38 years!

    And so the critical question remains: Do you want to be healed?


    The list goes on and one. Granted, these drugs come with many risks and can, in rare cases, have serious side effects. The difference I see here is that one set of drugs seeks to fix a chemical imbalance, or regulate the neurotransmitters in the brain to control sanity.
    The Lord has already created you with "sanity." The question is, Who would seek to remove it, and what should you do about it?

    There is no "difference" among "one set of drugs" or another; the end goal is the same: control and ultimately destruction.


    Other illicit drugs like...
    Some of the most diabolical drugs are over-the-counter.

    This [illicit] use of drugs fits the description of sorcery / pharmakeia more accurately at least for me.
    It is but one "description of sorcery;" as we've seen, there are others...
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    Hi lawrence, thanks for stopping by again. Since we have already discussed this at length via PM, I won't address your entire post, point by point.

    I was just wanting to ask you a question though - do you apply the same standards for coffee, since it alters the neurotransmitters in the brain, and thus a similar mechanism as stimulants such as Ritalin? Hell would be extremely full if people were sent there for using coffee, with its psychotropic properties.....

    Also, what advice do you give people who are not miraculously healed of their mental problems on the spot? ''Carry on chap, and endure another 20 years of torment - maybe you will inherit eternal life!''
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    open doors

    Thanks for responding, philosopher.

    I was just wanting to ask you a question though - do you apply the same standards for coffee, since it alters the neurotransmitters in the brain, and thus a similar mechanism as stimulants such as Ritalin?
    Excellent question! The short answer is, it's a matter of degree only -- and I cannot afford to offer up any control to the enemy.

    I'll give a personal example. Prior to marrying me, my wife was a coffee addict. She would not be without her daily fix. Eventually, her addiction began interfering with our day-to-day activities. And if she did not get her fix "on time," then there were consequences suffered (e.g. bad temper, ill feeling, massive headaches, etc.). Now this is not news to the caffeine crowd. I challenged her; I told her that if she would quit cold turkey, within one month her dream life would become more vivid, her interpersonal relationships would improve, and her physical health would return. She quit, and she healed.

    Hell would be extremely full if people were sent there for using coffee, with its psychotropic properties.....
    It's not about being damned for drinking coffee. It's about the enemy neutering your Godly walk. Recall that the Holy Bible tells us that there is a sin unto death. In other words, as a born again believer, you can do something stupid that could result in getting yourself killed. But that does not necessarily mean that you will go to hell for doing that stupid thing.

    We know that caffeine affects the mind, and not in a positive way. So why would any born again believer want to risk such conforming of his mind to the world when we are commanded to transform and renew our mind in Christ?

    And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Romans 12:2 KJV)

    Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. (Psalm 51:10 KJV)

    Also, what advice do you give people who are not miraculously healed of their mental problems on the spot?
    You did not get into the spot you're in overnight; thus, you will probably not be freed from it overnight, either. (However, the Lord does see fit to bring instantaneous deliverance to some; the Lord did it for me in November 1996.) What my wife and I have learned is that rarely is there only one issue that needs to be dealth with. It is a culmination of bondages wherein the captive finally begins to manifest the desire to get set free. satan must operate within the legal framework set out for him by God. And God will not override your free-will choices; he is a Gentleman. For example, the spirit of pharmakeia is one devil; the spirit of addiction is another, and so on. We're talking about the devils bouncing you around from one bondage to another and another and back again; it's called a bondage loop (from which the devils hope you will never escape).

    Ask the Lord to show you the open doors, so that you can repent of them and close them and get set free.

    ''Carry on chap, and endure another 20 years of torment - maybe you will inherit eternal life!''
    Yes! I understand your comment 100%. I am very tired of spiritually ignorant people making such damaging statements.

    My time has expired here at the internet cafe. I'll look forward to your reply when you're able.



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    Hello lawrenceb, Could you help clear my mind. Are you suggesting that Mental Illness come from Satan. I would like to draw upon your knowledge. Thanks in advance.
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