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    The real truth about the 3 “Persons” of the Trinity


    To me, the word “persons” can only refer to human beings!


    The sexual explanation
    Since all spirit beings are sexless …
    they cannot actually be masculine "persons", but they must be neuter "it"s.
    So, I look on the Triune Godhead as being 3 "Manifestations" of God.
    And I look on angels and demons as neuter "it"s, and not masculine spirits.


    The reason for the 3 “Persons”
    God knows how difficult it would be for us to have a personal relationship with an "It".
    So, the Triune God decided to portray "Themselves" as three "Persons"
    ... just for us ... just so we could relate to Them.
    This is just one more demonstration of God’s great love for us.
    The First Member ... Father God
    The Second member ... the Son of God
    The Third Member ... the Holy Spirit
    (The Spirit is the humble Work-horse of the Godhead, and does not desire any praise.)


    Specifically about “the Son of God”
    If He was not made sexually, and if He was not created by God, how did He come into being?
    Answer: He always was, He always existed (John 1:1).
    But, how could anything that always existed ... be some kind of “Son”?
    The "Son of God" is a name-title-term … a term of endearment used throughout the OT.
    Gabriel told Mary to call the Baby: Jesus, the Son of the Highest, and the Son of God.
    Gabriel never said that He was these things … He was just to be given these names.


    It’s all about you and God
    Would you feel comfortable trying to have a personal relationship with an "It"?
    The NT says you must have a “knowing” relationship with Jesus to be a sheep-elect:
    John 10:7-28, John 17:3, with the Holy Spirit dwelling and leading (Romans 8:14, 2 Timothy 2:19).
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    "person" = the mask of an actor

    To me, the word “persons” can only refer to human beings!
    The term person appears in the bible, but it is not a noun, it only describes the noun.
    Matthew 22:16, "...for thou regardest not the person of men."

    2 Corinthians 2:10, "...the person of Christ."

    When the bible uses the term person, it is translated from a Greek or Hebrew word which means "presence or countenance", it does not mean ‘man.' Here is scriptural proof that "person" and "man" are not synonymous terms, for if they are synonymous, then God is a liar.

    First of all, the scripture is very clear that God is no "respecter of persons" (2 Samuel 14:14, 2 Chronicles 19:7, Acts 10:34, Romans 2:11, Galatians 2:6, Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 3:25, 1 Peter 1:17). God does not respect persons, period!

    Now, if the term 'person' is synonymous with 'man', then there is a contradiction in the scripture, because throughout scripture, God specifically says he does respect man! For example, "the LORD had respect unto Abel" (Genesis 4:4), God had respect "upon the children of Israel" (Exodus 2:25, Leviticus 26:9, 2 Kings 13:23), and God has "respect unto the lowly" (Psalms 138:6). Therefore, "person" and "man" are not the same.

    Second of all, the scripture says that if we have respect of persons, we commit sin and transgress God's Law (Leviticus 19:15, Deuteronomy 1:17; 16:19, Proverbs 24:23; 28:21, James 2:1-4, 9). But in the same breath, Paul tells the first century believers to hold Timothy in honour (Philippians 2:29), and scripture commands us to honour all men (1 Peter 2:17)! So obviously, "persons" and "men" cannot be synonymous terms.

    Let us look more closely at Leviticus 19:15. Notice it says ,"thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty." It does not say, "thou shalt not respect the poor, nor honour the mighty," but only the person of the poor and the person of the mighty. In other words, we are not to respect someone just because they are the president, or a police officer, or a banker, or a priest, or wealthy. These are the 'persons' of men. We are to respect men because of what's in their hearts, and not because of their image. Jesus did not accept the person of any (Luke 20:21), neither should we.

    Another example is in James 2:1-4, where these religious people were sinning because they would give the best seats in their assembly to the persons of the rich, and not to the poor. This is discrimination. They were being partial and were giving judgment to the outward circumstances of man and not to their intrinsic merits. They preferred, as the more worthy, one whose "image" or "person" is one that is rich, high born, or powerful, over another who does not have these qualities.

    Man's law is also in agreement that "person" and "man" are not synonymous parts of speech:
    Person: "In law, man and person are not exactly-synonymous terms." Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1856, 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 137.

    Person:
    "...not every human being is a person." Black's Law Dictionary, 4th ed. 1957 & 1968, p.1300.


    "A slave is not a person." Maxim of law .


    "A slave, and everything a slave has, belongs to his master." Maxim of law.

    So, if you are a slave, or a bondservant of Jesus, the Christ, you don't fit that description of being the person described in the natural man's statutes. A servant belongs to his master, and our Master is the King of kings, "For ye are bought with a price" (1 Corinthians 6:20).

    Some may object to being called a 'slave' because they claim "slavery" was abolished in the US Constitution. This is not true. Only "involuntary servitude" was outlawed (see article XIII), not "voluntary servitude." Forced slavery was outlawed, not the freedom to choose to be an obedient bondman, or slave.

    After the Civil War, many slaves stayed with, and continued to serve, their masters...voluntarily. Today, citizens, persons, residents, and others of like spirit are "voluntarily serving" Caesar and his "civil" world. But the bondmen of Christ Jesus choose to be an obedient slave of and to the Prince of Peace.

    In truth, the English word 'person' does not belong in the bible. In scripture, the Greek and Hebrew words that 'person' is translated from mean "to reveal the man" (i.e., presence, countenance, face, etc.), whereas in man's law, the word 'person' means "to conceal the man" (i.e., the term persona means "the mask of the actor", i.e., a fictional character that substitutes for the flesh and blood man. From this word persona we get 'person,' a fictional entity). You're the actor when you become a person, because a mask (the person) covers the true character, and you become something other than who God says you are.

    In addition, it can be seen that 'person' and 'man' are not synonymous by the phrase "artificial person." In man's law, this phrase is used to describe corporations and such. But, if we replace the word 'person' with 'man,' look at what we get! "Artificial man." What is an artificial man? Is it a cyborg, a half-man/half-machine or something? However, "artificial person" makes much more sense, because a person is created by man, whereas a man is created by God. God does not create artificial things, only man does.
    [As a side note, we are told that a 'noun' refers to a "person, place, or thing." Well, a 'person' is not a noun, because it is only a fiction; it does not exist; it hides the true man. However a man (or woman) is a noun. Therefore, it is more accurate to say a noun refers to "people, places, or things."]
    Now, the term man is found in scripture, but it has to be qualified. You are a bondman of Christ, but not a natural man (1 Corinthians 2:14). Also, you can find the term mankind in scripture, but it refers only to the flesh (human beings), and has nothing to do with God or His Spirit. Remember, all human beings are monsters (as verified in man's law).
    In Webster's New World Dictionary, Third College Edition, 1988, page 823, Mankind is defined as "all human beings; the human race."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawrenceb View Post
    First of all, the scripture is very clear that God is no "respecter of persons"
    (... Acts 10:34, Romans 2:11, Galatians 2:6, Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 3:25, 1 Peter 1:17).
    God does not respect persons, period!
    From the NKJV ... it's all about no favoritism:

    Acts 10:34-36
    Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.
    But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
    The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all—

    Galatians 2:6
    But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me;
    God shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.

    Ephesians 6:9
    And you, masters, do the same things to them, giving up threatening, knowing that
    your own Master also is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.

    Colossians 3:25
    But he who does wrong will be repaid for what he has done, and there is no partiality.

    1 Peter 1:17
    And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work,
    conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear;
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    persona vs. character

    ... it's all about no favoritism

    That is true!

    Conversely, Caesar (i.e. man's God-less purported government) always looks to one's status (persona) rather than one's character (heart).

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