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    Does it matter what day we keep the Sabbath?

    Sunday, Saturday-what difference does it make?
    Some Christians observe Saturday, the seventh day of the week,while others, the majority, observe Sunday, the first day of the week
    We know the Sabbath was made at creation-it was made for mankind.
    The Sabbath was to be a sign between God and his people.
    The Sabbath was to be a perpetual covenant.
    The Sabbath was being kept long before the Ten Commandments were written in stone,
    Jesus kept the Sabbath and His followers kept the seventh day Sabbath long after His death and resurrection.
    The early New Testament church kept the Sabbath and since Christ and the Apostles continued to uphold this original Old testament law, the only conclusion we can come to is we should be keeping it as well.
    What changed? And when?

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    One thing to remember is that the sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath. When Jesus was on the earth, he often healed the sick and performed miracles on the sabbath; and this infuriated the pharisees and religious hypocrites.

    Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”
    Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

    He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus. - Mark 3:1-6
    Now, God be praised, that to believing souls gives light in darkness, comfort in despair.- William Shakespeare

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    Hello judge not.

    Here is what you wrote,

    Sunday, Saturday-what difference does it make?
    Some Christians observe Saturday, the seventh day of the week,while others, the majority, observe Sunday, the first day of the week
    We know the Sabbath was made at creation-it was made for mankind.
    The Sabbath was to be a sign between God and his people.
    The Sabbath was to be a perpetual covenant.
    The Sabbath was being kept long before the Ten Commandments were written in stone,


    You neglected to mention that the Jewish Sabbath was also included in the ten commandments.

    Once the Jewish Sabbath appeared in the Mosaic Law it belongs to the covenant between God and Israel.

    We being Gentiles were not included in this covenant, it was between God and Israel.

    Read Acts 15 this will clear up this persistent misunderstanding.
    Deal with it.

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    Originally Posted by David777 View Post
    Here is what you wrote,
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    Sunday, Saturday-what difference does it make?
    Some Christians observe Saturday, the seventh day of the week,while others, the majority, observe Sunday

    Read Acts 15 this will clear up this persistent misunderstanding.[/B]
    The Sabbath was a sign between God and man(kind) Gen2:1-3
    The commandments and Sabbath were known centuries before the covenant and Moses, and 2 generations before Judah- Gen26:5
    The Ten Commandments did not originate with Moses, they were codified and written in stone. The 4th Commandment begins with " Remember..."-.it already existed-it was reminding them of their requirement from the beginning.
    Both Jew and gentile observed the Sabbath together in synagogues in the New Testament.
    The Apostles and the New Testament church(made up of Jews and gentiles) observed the Holy days and Sabbath long after Jesus's resurrection.
    The prophets Isaiah and Daniel with visions from God show all flesh(mankind) in the Millennium keeping God's Commandments, Holydays and Sabbath.
    What I take from Acts 15 concerning the Jerusalem conference is that God did not require circumcision to receive the Holy Spirit-Acts10
    The Apostles wanted to ensure that every new gentile convert would have access to the scriptures on the Sabbath in the synagogues.
    They didn't have Bibles of the OT to hand out in those days.
    Nothing in the Bible suggests that the Seventh day Sabbath covenant was to come to an end with the advent of Christianity.
    jn

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    Very confusing

    I am not a christian; I am jewish but not practicing. From time to time I feel drawn to learn about Jesus. It has always confused me about the Saturday/Sunday thing. I thought it somehow got confused when jews and christians were separated.

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    Hello Judge not.

    I appreciate your reply, I will address your reply in a later post.

    I wish to first define what circumcision means when the term is used in the New Testament.

    From Eastons Bible Dictionary,

    It was a sign and seal of the covenant of grace as well as of the national covenant between God and the Hebrews.

    (1) It sealed the promises made to Abraham, which related to the commonwealth of Israel, national promises.

    (2) But the promises made to Abraham included the promise of redemption (Gal. 3:14),
    a promise which has come upon us. The covenant with Abraham was a dispensation
    or a specific form of the covenant of grace, and circumcision was a sign and seal of that covenant.
    It had a spiritual meaning. It signified purification of the heart, inward circumcision effected
    by the Spirit (Deut. 10:16; 30:6; Ezek. 44:7; Acts 7:51; Rom. 2:28; Col. 2:11).
    Circumcision as a symbol shadowing forth sanctification by the Holy Spirit has now
    given way to the symbol of baptism. But the truth embodied in both ordinances is ever the same,
    the removal of sin, the sanctifying effects of grace in the heart.

    Under the Jewish dispensation, church and state were identical. No one could be a member
    of the one without also being a member of the other. Circumcision was a sign and seal of
    membership in both. Every circumcised person bore thereby evidence that he was one of
    the chosen people, a member of the church of God as it then existed, and consequently
    also a member of the Jewish commonwealth.


    This last paragraph is of special significance to us judge not.

    Do you agree with this definition?

    Last edited by David777; 03-04-12 at 12:37 AM.
    Deal with it.

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    Originally Posted by judge not View Post
    The Sabbath was a sign between God and man(kind) Gen2:1-3
    The commandments and Sabbath were known centuries before the covenant and Moses, and 2 generations before Judah- Gen26:5
    The Ten Commandments did not originate with Moses, they were codified and written in stone. The 4th Commandment begins with " Remember..."-.it already existed-it was reminding them of their requirement from the beginning.
    Both Jew and gentile observed the Sabbath together in synagogues in the New Testament.
    The Apostles and the New Testament church(made up of Jews and gentiles) observed the Holy days and Sabbath long after Jesus's resurrection.
    The prophets Isaiah and Daniel with visions from God show all flesh(mankind) in the Millennium keeping God's Commandments, Holydays and Sabbath.
    What I take from Acts 15 concerning the Jerusalem conference is that God did not require circumcision to receive the Holy Spirit-Acts10
    The Apostles wanted to ensure that every new gentile convert would have access to the scriptures on the Sabbath in the synagogues.
    They didn't have Bibles of the OT to hand out in those days.
    Nothing in the Bible suggests that the Seventh day Sabbath covenant was to come to an end with the advent of Christianity.
    jn
    7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away.8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God!10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way.11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
    2 Cor 3:7-11 (NLT)
    Religion is an ugly tyrant.

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    Originally Posted by CuriousLauren View Post
    I am not a christian; I am jewish but not practicing. From time to time I feel drawn to learn about Jesus. It has always confused me about the Saturday/Sunday thing. I thought it somehow got confused when jews and christians were separated.
    Well it seems during the Jewish wars in the 1st and 2nd centuries a certain anti-Semitism was developing and the Christians of that time began to distance themselves from practices that were commonly viewed as Jewish.
    Around the 3rd and 4th centuries the Catholic church gained favor under Constantine the Great. It slowly incorporated customs adapted from pagan worship. Sunday became the day of worship based on the honoring of the sun god, a deity idolized by the masses in the Roman empire.
    In 365 AD the council of Laodicea declared-Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath but must work that day and subsequently must celebrate the Lord's day on Sunday, the first day of the week.
    Most theologians, catholic and protestants admit that Sunday observance can't be justified from the Scriptures
    That's it in a nutshell
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    Back again judge not.

    Do the ten commandments apply to Christians?

    Read what the apostles had to say on this matter.


    Acts 15

    5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up,
    saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to
    keep the law of Moses.”


    Note line 5, it says the "law of Moses", this includes the ten commandments.

    This caused much debate, does the Law of Moses apply to Gentiles that believe in Jesus?

    When you consider the problem it is evident that there was tremendous confusion
    over this problem. What Laws apply to the non circumcised believers?

    This was the great issue in the time of the apostles!

    The Jerusalem Council, considered this problem and worked out the solution.

    Now we continue on in the book of Acts to discover the solution.

    6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.

    7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them:
    “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us,
    that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

    8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit,
    just as He did to us,

    9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

    10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples
    which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


    11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved
    in the same manner as they.

    After the solution had been found the Gentile Churches had to be notified.

    This is how the letter to these churches was worded.

    The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
    To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

    Greetings.

    24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words,
    unsettling your souls, saying,

    “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—

    25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with
    our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

    26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.

    28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden
    than these necessary things:


    29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled,
    and from sexual immorality.
    If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

    This is the decree of the Apostles, what should Gentile believers abstain from, sexual immorality.

    Christian fellowship and the breaking of bread is allowed seven days a week if you wish.

    It is not a matter of Sunday or a Saturday for Gentile believers.

    End of argument, anyone who says otherwise is in error and should take it up with the apostles.
    Last edited by David777; 03-04-12 at 07:10 AM.
    Deal with it.

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    It really doesn't matter...

    Romans 14:

    5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
    6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.

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