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    How to die to myself?

    I would like to know more about dieing to oneself. I know it doesn't work overnight and a persons faith is perfected by deeds/doing.
    You can't just sit around and expect something to happen, a step of faith need to be taken.

    Anyway, does someone have some kind of information where to start. I've prayed to Jesus a million times to help me to die to myself. But before I know it, I'm back on wanting something from someone or expecting something in return. Most of the time I get disappointed.

    Some info on this topic will really be appreciated.

    Thank you.
    "Jesus did not tap out..."

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    good luck trying to crucify yourself.
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    Discern the Spirits,whether they be from God.
    Self crucifixion is quite possible.
    It starts by picking up your cross and following him.
    The first step after being filled with the Spirit is to
    examine your prejudices and see if they agree with the character of God.

    Next examine the little prison system we have built in our minds.Are there any prisoners.Anyone that we have not forgiven or are Judging are our prisoners and some of them we treat better than others.We are supposed to set those captives free.
    Pray for your enemies.Bless those who spitefully use you.
    This is the path to Golgotha.The beginning of the journey of death.

    By the way God has to do this,not you.
    Remember the second temptation of Christ was to fulfill scripture by casting himself down from the pinnacle.Our part of this is to react to every situation in love.Knowing that all things work together for good.

    Focus on the new life and let God work on the death part.
    It is a process,if it happened in a month you would end up in a mental hospital because people would say you are not yourself and they would be right.

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    The fact you have recognised the need to die to yourself and crucify your sinful nature is the first step.

    The previous poster Thiscrosshurts has given you some good advice.

    Keep reading the Word of God. The Word of God challenges us as we need to change. Each person is different and it you may have sin areas you are weak that I don't have a problem with and vice versa. So don't compare yourself with other Christians. We all walk our joruney with Jesus at a different pace.

    Pray and ask God to Help you change to be more like Jesus. God will answer your prayer because it aligns with God's Will for you (actually for all of His children).

    Do try to take steps you can that will help you keep away from temptation. I stopped soon after becoming a Christian going out with a certain set of people who kept enticing me into sin. There are practical things you can do.

    Remember the Devil will keep trying to tempt you at your weakest. Notice the Devil turned up at the end of Jesus doing a forty day fast in the desert not at the beginning because Jesus would be weak at that point. And the Devil persisted. Then left but only to wait for another opportune time to tempt Jesus again.

    LK 4:1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
    LK 4:3 The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread."

    LK 4:4 Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone.' "

    LK 4:5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 So if you worship me, it will all be yours."

    LK 4:8 Jesus answered, "It is written: `Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' "

    LK 4:9 The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down from here. 10 For it is written:

    " `He will command his angels concerning you
    to guard you carefully;

    LK 4:11 they will lift you up in their hands,
    so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "

    LK 4:12 Jesus answered, "It says: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "

    LK 4:13 When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.
    Unlike Jesus you might give in and fall into sin. Don't worry about that. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off. Know even when we fail and sin Jesus is advocating on our behalf before God and your salvation is still intact.

    1JN 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

    You have to just keep trying and eventually you will suceed and gain victory over the sin in your life. Never give in! Never surrender! That is the only way.

    I'm 30 years in Christ and I have some great victory over sin in that time. Mainly recently. I still have some areas where I fail the Lord and no doubt Satan will be back to tempt me to sin again.

    Our salvation is based on Christ's death on the Cross not how well we obey God in our Christian walk. Just remember that when you fall into sin.

    2CO 5:16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
    You are the Rigteousness of God THROUGH Christ Jesus and not your own efforts. Praise God! That remains the same even when we sin. We are still righteous before God. So all we have to do is repent(not as in salvation but as in not wanting to keep sinning) of that sin and move forward.

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    I am currently working on this myself, and though I am no expert, I do have one thing that helps me.

    There are things in my life that I cannot overcome, no matter how hard I try no matter what I do, I can't do it. But thankfully God can, so while He's working on that, I'm just making sure that I'm following His will, reading the Bible, and engaging in fellowship. While I do all this good stuff, He is at work on the bad stuff, and over time I will be molded and transformed to be more like Him.

    Don't focus on what you can't do... instead, focus on what you should do (the Bible tells you what to do)... Dwell on the things of God.

    Also, it seems you may need God to fill up your "humility" and "love" tanks. You said you are always wanting or expecting things from people. But true love does not expect things in return, and humility means doing things without necessarily being "paid" or "honored". Perhaps you should pray more for the fruits of the spirit than for crucifying the flesh.

    Here are the fruits of the spirit, you may want to dwell on these:
    love, peace, kindness, gentleness, goodness, self control, patience, joy, and faithfulness.
    Audrey Nicole

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    Thank you so much all of you.

    Your answers really help. Especially the part where I'm too focused on my faults / bad stuff. I must keep myself busy with the good stuff - with God, while He is busy on fixing the bad stuff for me, and that is only something He can do.

    I can really relate to AudreyNicole. To expect something back from someone or to receive what "self" wants all the time. I really can't overcome it. No matter how hard I try. But I realized that I need to concentrate on the fruits of the Spirit. Thank you for this. I will start praying and meditate on the Fruits. By telling me this I just realized something, yes the light bulb just came on :)

    Thanks so much.
    Lots of Blessing for all of you.
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    THE CROSS GOD'S WAY
    It was on the cross of Calvary that God, in Christ, dealt fully and finally with self, the nature from which all our sins flow. "We know that our old (unrenewed) self was nailed to the cross with Him in order that (our) body, (which is the instrument of sin), might be made ineffective and inactive for evil, that we might no longer be the slaves of sin" (Romans 6:6 Amp.). The reason there is no other way for self to be denied is that God has done the work in this way: our identification with Christ Jesus in His death and resurrection! It is done; now ours to believe.
    "The 'flesh' will only yield to the cross; not to all the resolutions you may make at a conference, not to any self-effort, not to any attempted self-crucifixion; only to co-crucifixion, crucified together with Christ (Galatians 2:20). It is not by putting yourself to death, but by taking, through faith and surrender, your place of union with Christ in His death. That is the blessed barrier of safety between you and all the attractions of the flesh, and that makes the way open to do the will of God." --G. Watt
    The cross of Calvary resulted in the death of the Lord Jesus, both for sin, and unto sin. In that He died unto sin, He died out of the realm of sin, and He arose into the realm of "newness of life," eternal life. And our identification with Him on Calvary took us into death; down into the tomb; up into "newness of life" (Romans 6:4). First, Romans 6:3 -- "Baptized into his death"; then, Romans 6:4 -- "buried with him"; then, Romans 6:5 -- "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection"; also, Colossians 3:3 -- "For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God"; therefore, Romans 6:11 -- "Reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
    Praise the Lord! it all happened at Calvary: our sins were paid for, our sinfulness was dealt with, and both by the ultimate -- DEATH. And we receive the benefits of the work of the cross simply by reckoning on, believing in, the finished work of the cross. First, through the Word, we find out what God did about our problem. Then, as we become thoroughly convinced of the fact and begin to understand it clearly, we are able to agree to 'reckon' it true. And as we exercise faith in God's fact, we begin to receive the benefits of that finished work in experience. Was it not true in the matter of our justification? Yes, and we will likewise find it to be true in the matter of our emancipation from the slavery of the self-life.
    "The powerful effect of the cross with God, in heaven, in the blotting out of guilt, and our renewed union with God, is inseparable from the other effect -- the breaking down of the authority of sin over man, by the crucifixion of self. Therefore Scripture teaches us that the cross not only works out a disposition or desire to make such a sacrifice, but it really bestows the power to do so, and completes the work. This appears with wonderful clarity in Galatians. In one place the cross is spoken of as the reconciliation for guilt (3:13). But there are three more places where the cross is even more plainly spoken of as the victory over the power of sin; as the power to hold in the place of death the 'I' of the self-life; of the flesh (the outworking of self); and of the world (2:20; 5:24; 6:14). In these passages our union (identification) with Christ, the crucified One, and the conformity to Him resulting from the union, are represented as the result of the power exercised within us and upon us by the cross." -- Andrew Murray
    As we learn to stand upon the finished work of Calvary, the Holy Spirit will begin to faithfully and effectively apply that finished work of the cross to the self-life, thereby holding it in the place of death -- inactive -- resulting in the "not I, but Christ" life.

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    WHY STRUGGLE?
    "But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord" (2 Corinthians 3:18). Our Father allows the believer to struggle with self, not for victory, but for defeat. Then the "wretched man" learns to rest in the Victor. Once you have begun the Christian walk, and know the blessedness of it, you are not trying to correct yourself, for you know that all has been removed from the eye of God; and you insist on the fact that self has been to the Cross, and that Christ is your life. The old man was crucified, and you cannot reform him; all attempts of amiable people to reform him are only denying the fact that he has been dealt with in judgment. The responsible (law) man is not before God now. It is now the day of grace. Everyone who receives His grace is set free from the domination of the old man. The appeal to the believer now is not to do, but to look." -J.B.S"The believer is never told to 'overcome sin,' but to reckon, on the ground of his death with Christ, that he has died to it. On the basis of death, he is told not to 'let' sin reign in his life. It is to be dealt with by an attitude of death, not by 'overcoming.' The believer therefore is not to be spending his whole life in getting victory over sin, but understanding his position as having died unto sin." "[We] are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord" (2 Corinthians 3:18).
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    Hello!

    I have an idea!
    Do these things:
    a; think about God as much as you can all the time.
    b; do everything for God as much as you can all the time.
    c; say everything you say to glorify God and please him as much as you can, all the time.
    Pour yourself, heart and soul, into serving God and you will automatically spend less time on your own selfish desires.

    Imagine that you are a bucket and your self is the water that fills you to the brim. Rather than trying to get rid of the water, allow God to fill you with one big rock, Jesus Christ, and this rock will push all the water out!

    How does that sound?
    Best wishes,
    late4dinner.

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    Originally Posted by late4dinner View Post
    Hello!

    I have an idea!
    Do these things:
    a; think about God as much as you can all the time.
    b; do everything for God as much as you can all the time.
    c; say everything you say to glorify God and please him as much as you can, all the time.
    Pour yourself, heart and soul, into serving God and you will automatically spend less time on your own selfish desires.

    Imagine that you are a bucket and your self is the water that fills you to the brim. Rather than trying to get rid of the water, allow God to fill you with one big rock, Jesus Christ, and this rock will push all the water out!

    How does that sound?
    Best wishes,
    late4dinner.
    Hehehe I like this reply. It works too, it's just recentley worked for me! =)

    I had an addiction to playing videogames. No matter what, I would have to play a MMO (Massive Multiplayer Online game) or any game for that matter. It would become my day and night! It's been that way for some time... until recentley. I told MYSELF, "James, STOP IGNORING JESUS... there's a reason He's been warning you about this! It's taking all your time, you never open your Bible... MAN, WAKE UP..." etc etc.

    So I prayed about it. I told God, "You know my weaknesses, as I do. You know the ones I ignore and ones I don't even know I have. Help me God. Please. I will follow what you say."

    THE END.

    For a while now I have felt an urge to read my bible, come to sites like this, talk to everyone I see, reach out and show love to everyone, I notice sin even more now, my yearning for God and His wisdom has grown massivley... it is so true what I've heard... give it to God, He will take care of it. Or, like Jesus said, "Seek and ye shall find." AMEN. Thank you Jesus for I feel so fulfilled even when 3 hours of constant reading and strong thinking gives me a headache!

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