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    WHAT IMPORTANT IS THE FORGIVENESS... WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT YOU LOVE IS HURTTING YOU AND HURTTING YOU AND ABOVE ALL JESUS IS ASKING YOU FORGIVE AND BEYOND YOUR OWN STRENGH... LOVE THAT PERSONE... THATS REALLY AMACE ME!!!!:shock:

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    You must forgive, because you, yourself were forgiven.
    God's opinion is the only one that really matters. :smile:

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    Christ's Opposing Views on Forgiveness

    Jesus Christ had two opposing views on forgiveness and they are a classic example of Law vs. Grace or Old Covenant vs. New Covenant.

    First and foremost, before His death, Jesus was a Jew and a staunch follower of the the Law or Old Covenant.

    After His death and resurrection, Jesus was under His Father's New Covenant and adhered to Grace and not "The Law".


    Nothing in the Bible is more evident of this than Jesus Christ's two different responses to forgiveness:
    1. What Jesus said about forgiveness under the Law( paraphrasing): " Forgive one another or God will not forgive you"
    2. What Jesus said about forgiveness under Grace: (paraphrasing) "Forgive one another as your Father in Heaven has forgiven you"
    Two opposing Covenants, and two opposing definitions of forgiveness.
    " I'll see you here or I will see you up there or I will see you in the air"!.....Beam me up , Lord!

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    How do you really forgive???

    This all makes perfect sense about forgiveness, but how do you tell a teenager, who has been hurt and let down by Christians and church going people how to forgive without speaking Christianese to him?

    There is a wonderful young man I know that grew up without a father in his home, had little contact with him, and was raised in a Christian home by his mother with much love. He has had so many bad experiences he really wonders if God is really real or even cares about him. There has been too much hurt, anger and rejection in his life for him to be able to feel comfortable around people, let alone Christians.

    When I talked with him this evening I got very uncomfortable because of all the anger and frustration that was pouring out of him, it was almost too much for me to handle, it just kept coming and coming and coming. I mentioned he needed to forgive people and he said he has tried with several people that prayed and worked with him, but he has concluded he doesn't know how to forgive.

    What can I say to him? How can I tell him about how to forgive people? He wants to do it, he wants peace but doesn't understand how to do it. I am having trouble explaining it to him. I really welcome your input. Help me pray for this young man who has given his heart to the Lord years ago, to forgive and let go of all the hurt, anger and bitterness. I want him to feel the peace and the love of the Lord.

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    Originally Posted by abidingnHim View Post
    This all makes perfect sense about forgiveness, but how do you tell a teenager, who has been hurt and let down by Christians and church going people how to forgive without speaking Christianese to him?

    There is a wonderful young man I know that grew up without a father in his home, had little contact with him, and was raised in a Christian home by his mother with much love. He has had so many bad experiences he really wonders if God is really real or even cares about him. There has been too much hurt, anger and rejection in his life for him to be able to feel comfortable around people, let alone Christians.

    When I talked with him this evening I got very uncomfortable because of all the anger and frustration that was pouring out of him, it was almost too much for me to handle, it just kept coming and coming and coming. I mentioned he needed to forgive people and he said he has tried with several people that prayed and worked with him, but he has concluded he doesn't know how to forgive.

    What can I say to him? How can I tell him about how to forgive people? He wants to do it, he wants peace but doesn't understand how to do it. I am having trouble explaining it to him. I really welcome your input. Help me pray for this young man who has given his heart to the Lord years ago, to forgive and let go of all the hurt, anger and bitterness. I want him to feel the peace and the love of the Lord.


    how do you tell a teenager, who has been hurt and let down by Christians and church going people how to forgive without speaking Christianese to him?
    I'm not a professional counseler and I can only answer as if this was my own child.
    I do know that being a teenager, in these times, is difficult at best and,up to mayturity, their spirituality can be especially fragile and difficult to cope with.
    Your concern and love for this child is very evident, I know you will but, keep reminding yourself of their his state and take it slow and easy, never pushing, never demanding.
    Just be yourself and let Christ's love shine through you and this child will learn to trust you and eventually the Lord.

    I mentioned he needed to forgive people and he said he has tried with several people that prayed and worked with him, but he has concluded he doesn't know how to forgive.

    What can I say to him? How can I tell him about how to forgive people? He wants to do it, he wants peace but doesn't understand how to do it. I am having trouble explaining it to him. I really welcome your input.

    This is exactly what the Lord is talking about with His New Covenant of Grace, when he said: " To forgive one another as your father in Heaven has forgive you".
    Assure your young friend that God is asking us to forgive, unconditionally, like He does.
    Obviously your little friend wants to forgive but his hurt is stronger than his will. We have to get him to the point where he can acknowledge that it is the Lord's will that matters.

    Explain to him, unlike the Old Covenant "Law", his lack of forgivess has nothing to do with his relationship to the Lord. Under the New Covenant of Grace, the Lord loves him unconditionally and wants a relationship with him first.
    Once that relationship is established, then his forgiveness of others will be a "fruit" of that relationship.

    The "Law" says :you must love and forgive first.
    Grace says: start loving God as He loves you and your forgiveness of others will come.

    Tell you precious friend that it is O.K. if he can't forgive right now, God knows his hurt better than anyone and He does not hold that against him. God is yearning for his love right now and wants to heal him of his unforgiveness.

    Your little friend wants to forgive but that forgiveness is not so much from him but allowing God's unconditional forgiveness to flow through him.

    Tell him that he is not alone, like so many others in this world who are reaching out to God, they are "putting the cart before the horse".
    Seek God first and then the forgivess of others that he desires.

    Whether he can grasp it right now or not, tell him the truth about God's love. God loves him right now as much as he loves His own Son Jesus Christ and him recieving that love is not predicated on some type of performance, rather that he reaches out and simply recieves this love.

    Help me pray for this young man who has given his heart to the Lord years ago, to forgive and let go of all the hurt, anger and bitterness. I want him to feel the peace and the love of the Lord.
    Help him to forget about forgivenness for the time being but, rather help him seek God first and then turn his hurt, anger and bitterness over to the lord.
    Help him to understand that under the New Covenant of Grace, he is not meant to burden himself with this forgivess but rather allow the Holy Spirit to forgive through him.

    this young man who has given his heart to the Lord years ago,
    One last suggestion and this may be the most important.
    If he has truly given his heart to the Lord, ask him about that experience. Does he recall it accurately? Did he recall a change in himself? Did he truly know the lord at that moment.

    If he does with all of these, then help him go back to that time when he "first believed" and help him start his journey with his relationship to God from that positive experience.

    But here is the caveat.

    If he can't remember or is not sure of the "time that he first believed", assure him that is perfectly O.K. but help him do it for the first time again! Go to Romans 10: 8-13 and, WHEN HE IS READY, lead him through something similar to what it says there.

    God Bless and thank you for allowing God to work through you in your desire to help this little babe!
    " I'll see you here or I will see you up there or I will see you in the air"!.....Beam me up , Lord!

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    Whether it is seventy seven, or four hundred and ninety times, still it will not surpass the thousand upon thousand sins the Lord has forgive our own self. We must needs look upon those that mistreat us as Christ did, that they know not what they do; and though we may think that they know what they´re doing, yet the Lord concludes that they do not, and we must trust Him, that He knows what He is saying. The Romans also thought that they knew what they were doing, but Christ said that they did not. For those who are still living in sin, we with God must hope and wish with God that they will come to repentance, and be longsuffering toward them, even as God is toward all.
    And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
    Acts 28:24

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    Thank you!

    Thank you so much Joe Johnston and HisFollower, you have been a great help!

    Are you familiar with any youth teachings on New Covenant Grace and the love of God? Any that can be either downloaded or read over the internet?

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    Forgiveness, I finally learned how

    As a Christian, I learned the only things we can control are our choices, not our emotions. So out of Love for Jesus and the enormous gift He gave us I decided to choose to return my love for Him by doing what He asked. He asks us to forgive.

    We all struggle with forgiving those who hurt us. I wanted to share here what I have learned so that I may walk obediently and always able to forgive.

    I am not going to pour out my story, because I have learned that each and every one of us has a story and they are all filled with much pain.

    But, we all deal differently with our struggle against our human desire to hold on to our anger as if it were a 'right' or that it fills that void that was created from the pain. There is a confused kind of thinking that if we let go of the anger - we will lose out on what we have a right too. That simply is a lie and one that perpetuates the pain. I once heard an expression - He who angers you controls you - and that is so very true. Do we really want to give that kind of power to those who have hurt us so deeply?

    So, I wanted to share how I was able to let go of the anger and completely forgive those who hurt me.

    1. I said a prayer saying to God that, although I don't feel the forgiveness, I am forgiving them out of obedience. Then I remember being a child and doing things as I was told and not because I understood them. As an adult, I understand those things very well. So, I forgive out of obedience even if I don't understand. God honors obedience without feelings or understanding. As a matter of fact, I often think about how Abraham must have 'felt' when he raised that dagger above Isaac. There was no human feeling or understanding that would have aided Abraham - it was all about trusting God and being obedient to Him.

    2. I prayed for those who I forgave and asked God to use me in any way He wanted to bring them to a saving grace.

    3. I promised that I would never seek revenge and I have left it in His very capable hands.

    A picture appeared in my mind of that person standing with their back to the fires of hell. In this picture, the person was mocking me for my weaknesses and boasting about their getting one over on me. The whole time they were oblivious to what was directly behind them. The Lord also showed me His view from the cross when He said, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” And in His view, He saw all of those who were mocking Him and rejoicing over His death were standing on the precipice of a fiery pit and Jesus knew that if they did not turn around and realize their fate, they would suffer far worse than what they were doing to Him and He truly loved them and did not what that to happen to them.

    It was at that moment that I finally felt the forgiveness. Oh, if there were anything I could do to save them from the foolish lies they have believed.

    So now, when people hurt me, I actually can understand that there really isn't anything I could ever do to them that would even compare to what will happen to them if they don't repent and receive Jesus as their savior to pay for their sins.

    One of the people was my dad. For so many years I didn't want to pray for him because I didn't WANT him in eternity with me.


    But then God reminded me that I really have always wanted a relationship with my dad and if he did repent and turned to the Lord Jesus then I would have eternity with what I had always wanted - to get to know my real dad - not the one consumed by sin and evil.

    So, now praying for my enemies has new meaning and I do it joyfully because I really do want to know each of them clothed in His righteousness.

    And as God always gives us a bounty of blessings when we listen to Him, I also have such a freedom from pain and the burden of carrying the weight of my anger. I'm truly free!!!!!! Also, that hole in my heart where the anger was - He filled it with joy and peace and His perfect love.

    Praise God for His awesome love!



    I hope these words encourage anyone who is buried under the anger of the pain caused by another.



    What about the relationships? The second part is trying to determine if we will be rejoining or in other words, repairing the relationship. In my humble opinion, forgiveness is all about our responsibility to God in obedience. It is the condition of our hearts. But as for the relationship (if the forgiveness issue is regarding another person and not a company or government entity, etc.) that is another issue and is something to be evaluated through scripture and prayer.

    The foundation of any relationship is trust. You need to determine, based on the past events and their current attitude – can you trust them on any level. If you feel you can – then open the door just enough to where you are comfortable and protect the parts of you that you feel vulnerable and do not give them your trust in those areas until a history of renewed trust can be restored. Sometimes, it simply is not going to happen or there is not even a window of trust. In that case – close the door – but don’t lock it. Let them know.

    In some cases, it really is not necessary or even possible to repair relationships. If we are led to do so, then of course. But, the person I had my greatest struggle with is not someone I can spend time around as they are still immersed in evil.

    So, I think that is another issue that we need to pray about individually.
    So many pieces fall in: Are they a Christian, are they a family member whom you have regular contact with, etc. Are they a bad influence on your children, etc. These are all things that are separate and need to be evaluated with scripture, the situation, with your spouse, etc. and then brought before God in prayer.

    I think that this reason is why so many don't forgive. They think that means they have to renew the relationship and they know that it is a poisonous one. Forgiveness is all about obeying God and a condition of our heart. The relationship is a completely different matter.


    I actually find myself wanting to reach out to comfort the person who hurt me because I know all too well the future pain that awaits them for I have already walked that road. The day I remembered all the pain I had caused everyone in my life was the darkest day I’ve ever known. I would not have survived it if it were not for the fact that our Lord was on the road with me and showed me his hands and feet and reminded me that He already paid and I didn’t need to cry anymore because I was forgiven.

    My enemies will find themselves on that road one day, or they will find themselves in eternal punishment. Either way they will grieve and I find no joy in that - only comfort that there will be payment for the pain caused to others whether it was paid on the cross or will be paid by the individual for eternity is entirely in the hands of the one.

    So, do not be afraid to forgive them. It is the only way the Christian can stand out as the miracle that we are - to forgive our enemies and trust in the forgiveness we have been given. Walk out onto the water – even if it is in a storm – He will not let you fall.

    Your enemies (and even those who have done you a single harm) will either be at the mercy of others to have their turn at being hurt in a similar way and God will be faithful to remind them at that moment of the day when they hurt you or they will live out their lives never acknowledging any of the lessons God tries to bestow on them – they will think they have escaped the results of their evil – only to find themselves suffering for eternity.

    Either way – it is best to smile at those who hurt you, do not return evil for evil- and leave it to God. He is far better at judging correctly and meting out the correct and just punishment than we ever could do.

    At least that is my humble opinion and how I see things and what God has taught me through scripture in my situation.



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    thanks guys!!!

    WELL, I CAN READ A GOOD THEOLOGY ABOUT FORGIVENESS, AND I WILL HAVE FOR THE REST OF THE WEEK... ITS VERY INTERESTING WHEN PEOPLE JUST TRY TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, BUT CAN YOU HAVE YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE?

    I CANT FORGIVE IF FISRTABLE I DIDNT ACCEPT THE FORGIVENESS OF JESUS.... BUT IF JESUS IS ASKING ME TO FORGIVE... IS BECAUSE HE DID, AND HE KNOW THAT I CAN DO TOO BUT NOT WITH MY OWN STRENGH BUT WITH THE LOVE AND STRENGH OF JESUS, THE TRUE IS SIMPLE BUT SO HARD TO DO... YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING IN JESUS NAME, AND BECAUSE YOUR LIVE NOW IS COMING FROM HIM AND NOT IN YOUR OWN DESIRES... JESUS IS SO REAL THAT HE IS BY YOUR SIDE TO YOU CAN FORGIVE... EVEN WE STILL FALL, HE IS FORGIVING US AND LOVING US...

    THAT IS MY JESUS!!! AND NO BODY IS LIKE HIM... HE DID CARRY ALL THE PAIN AND SIN FROM THE WORLD UPON THE SHOULDERS... AND HE COULD FORGIVE SO THE ANSWER IS YES!! I CAN FORGIVE BECAUSE IM NOT ALONE AND THERE IS ONE THAT NOW ABOUT MY INJUSTICE AND HE WILL GIVE ME CONFORT AND MY PRICE AFTER EVERYTHING WILL DONE...
    AMEN!!!:embarasse

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    when i was going through hard times and had a lot of pain from people, at times i hated them, but eventually with lots and lots of prayer, God showed me that if i don't forgive them i can't have peace, and i dearly wanted peace, so i prayed and asked God to help me to forgive them because i was in so much pain and distrust i didn't know how to forgive them, and slowly i was able to get past the hate and even love them, then i'd get around them again and trust them and get hurt again, it began to seem that everytime i trusted i got hurt, so i quit trusting anyone but God,

    its been a long trail down the road to forgiveness and peace, but it is possible to forgive those that hurt you severely, even when they don't ask for forgiveness,

    God is able to supply what we need!!
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