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    Was satan an angel?

    Was satan an angel who was cast out of Heaven?

    And, if so is there a scripture to help back that up?
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    The passage that this teaching comes from is Isaiah 14:12. Older English translations use "lucifer" while modern translations prefer "Morning Star". These are not contradictory, as lucifer is the Latin name for Venus, the morning star.

    Isaiah's immediate context is a prophecy against the King of Babylon, but there is a long tradition that says it also speaks beyond its original context to refer to Satan.

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    Thank you Hekuran, I looked up Isaiah 14:12 & cross referenced it, I came up with Ezekiel 28:13-17.

    Does Ezekiel 28:13-19 speek of satan?

    It states that GOD said that HE anointed him Guardian Angel, untill he sinned.


    Ezekiel 28:13-19
    13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; your clothing was bejeweled with every precious stone--ruby, topaz, diamond, chrysolite, onyx, jasper, sapphire, carbuncle, and emerald--all in beautiful settings of finest gold. They were given to you on the day you were created.
    14 I appointed you to be the anointed Guardian Angel. You had access to the holy mountain of God. You walked among the stones of fire.
    15 ``You were perfect in all you did from the day you were created until that time when wrong was found in you.
    16 Your great wealth filled you with internal turmoil and you sinned. Therefore, I cast you out of the mountain of God like a common sinner. I destroyed you, O Guardian Angel, from the midst of the stones of fire.
    17 Your heart was filled with pride because of all your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. Therefore I have cast you down to the ground and exposed you helpless before the curious gaze of kings.
    18. You defiled your holiness with lust for gain; therefore I brought forth fire from your own actions and let it burn you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all those watching you.
    19. All who know you are appalled at your fate; you are an example of horror; you are destroyed forever.''
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    I think you can also take a look at

    Revelation 12:7-9 (New International Version)

    7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
    "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matthew 6:33

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    The Ezekiel passage is very similar to the Isaiah one, in that it is a prophecy against a foreign ruler - the King of Tyre in the case of Ezekiel.

    It may be that the prophecy has a dual purpose, but I am quite a long way from being convinced of that.

    The only firm conclusion I would draw from this is that the Bible is not too concerned to teach us about Satan's origins – its not something that should preoccupy us. You can easily find elaborate accounts of Satan's fall, but to my mind they rest on flimsy biblical evidence.

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    So are you saying that the sripture in Ezekiel 28:13-19, is speeking a bout a wicked King & not satan? Or,

    did the wicked King have the spirit of satan in him?

    And that's why it seemed like it was discribing satan?
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    I agree in part with Hekuran, that Ezekiel 28:13-19 has a dual purpose for these passages. However, not being a Biblical scholar, I'm not sure.
    Love JohnPaul. 'Jesus Answered, I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me.' John14 v6

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    And if the scripture is speeking about a wicked King, then why does it say in the scripture;

    " You were in Eden, the garden of GOD,

    I appointed you to be the anointed Guardian Angel.

    You had access to the holy mountain of God.

    You were PERFECT in all you did from the day you were created until that time when wrong was found in you.

    Your great wealth filled you with internal turmoil and you sinned.

    Therefore, I cast you out of the mountain of God like a common sinner."


    Does this not discribe a fallen angel, satan himself?



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    It may be describing Satan, but it also makes sense as an exaggerated way of describing the heights the King of Tyre reached before outlining the judgement ahead. The Bible uses it quite often. Think of trees clapping their hands or camel passing through eyes of needles and so on.

    The Old Testament passages just are not clear enough for me to feel comfortable hanging a doctrine on them - that's my gut feeling and not backed up by a great deal of research or expertise, so feel free to disagree...

    A more clear text is 2 Peter 2:4 mentioning that angels were punished for sins.

    I hope this is helpful.

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    It's not that I disagree. I've always been told that satan is a fallen angel. But a certain someone recently said that know where in the Bilble does it state that satan was once, one of GOD'S Angels.

    But I was always told he was a angel, until he became jealous of GOD & wanted to rule. Thus became rebelous against GOD & hates all those who wants to worship GOD, so GOD cast him out of heaven down to earth.

    Jesus even said, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." {Luke 10:18}

    Revelation 9:11
    11. And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

    Dictionary; Apollyon
    (pŏlyn) [Gr.,=Destroyer], in the Book of Revelation, name of the angel of the bottomless pit. See Satan; hell.


    Isaiah 14:12
    12. "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations!
    Last edited by Jonah2005bt; 04-11-09 at 10:23 PM.
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