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    clairvoyance and christianity

    Is clairvoyance a gift from God? He is the giver of skill. Can someone have this ability and be still be right with God? My thinking is currently that the skill is form God , but how it's used is by a persons choice? What do you think? I don't know if it is the same thing as having the gift of prophecy or not.

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    its for especially true for those people who are close to the Lord, to see things in another people, instantly, which others dont see.

    i dont mean bad things, as Lord would never reveal any such things that isnt useful for the person him self, of another person through the prophecy.

    1Co 14:3 KJVA But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.


    so i believe the same principles as in prophecy applies to this gift...
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    My opinion, clairvoyance the way the world accepts it is not a gift from God.
    Prophecy, Discernment, Words of Wisdom and Knowledge are a result of the Holy Spirit imparting revelation to and through our spirit.

    Take for example Nostradamus ; he used to do mind altering drugs and stare into a pot of boiling liquid. His hallucinations were written down and people have been taking them as prophecy ever since but if you ever read any of his quatrains you would see they are gibberish and can be twisted to say anything.

    So on one hand you have the gifts of the Spirit manifest while abiding in the Vine. on the other you have a lost soul subject to the god of this world.
    Psa 62:5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him.

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    Boanerges, are you saying then that the enemy has the power to give someone the ABILITY to have visions or to see these things?

    Or do you think it is a gift from God, a skill from God, but devoted to darkness and the enemy? Misused.

    All the abilities humans seem to have have their first and foremost purpose to be used in, by, with our relationship to God. It seems that all our abilities are meant for our relationship with God.

    I've been wondering if the enemy has these kind of powers - to give abilities, but it doesn't seem right.

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    According to Wikipedia, clairvoyance is included in the paranormal category and thus is not accepted by the scientific community. Satan only has the ability to produce counterfeit visions (see Mt 4:8;Lk 4:5). God alone produces genuine ones. Clairvoyance is not a gift of God, it is a demonic ruse.

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    Originally Posted by jari View Post
    its for especially true for those people who are close to the Lord, to see things in another people, instantly, which others dont see.

    i dont mean bad things, as Lord would never reveal any such things that isnt useful for the person him self, of another person through the prophecy.

    1Co 14:3 KJVA But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.


    so i believe the same principles as in prophecy applies to this gift...
    Here's a scripture you may want to consider.
    Acts 5:1-11


    I agree with SLE and Boanerges not all that goes on in the name of God is of God.
    Religion is an ugly tyrant.

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    Originally Posted by jiggyfly View Post
    Here's a scripture you may want to consider.
    Acts 5:1-11


    I agree with SLE and Boanerges not all that goes on in the name of God is of God.
    I agree with them too. What is from God is pure... useful according to God's will. Sprits not from God wont do God's genuie work which the Holy spirit does.

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    Originally Posted by dchena View Post
    Boanerges, are you saying then that the enemy has the power to give someone the ABILITY to have visions or to see these things?

    Or do you think it is a gift from God, a skill from God, but devoted to darkness and the enemy? Misused.

    All the abilities humans seem to have have their first and foremost purpose to be used in, by, with our relationship to God. It seems that all our abilities are meant for our relationship with God.

    I've been wondering if the enemy has these kind of powers - to give abilities, but it doesn't seem right.
    A visions and etc are not from God that is where discernment comes in. Satan loves to imitate the things of God. We are lead by the Holy Spirit, new agers have "spirit guides" etc.
    Psa 62:5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him.

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    jiggyfly, I don't understand the relevance of Acts 5:1-11. Can you explain it to me.

    Thanks all for your help. I guess discernment is critical, and I guess that the goal of such visions would be a way to discern: does it glorify God, or is it trying to glorify a person? Does it build up God's kingdom, or does is build up man?

    I seems like a good way to discern. Also fruits of the Spirit - which also support Gods Word and Christs example.

    So understanding the Word is probably the best way to discern?

    If you think I'm heading in the right direction, or not, please let me know.

    Thanks

    Still wondering what you think about the actual ability to have visions, from God or otherwise, not just the content. I am currently believing that the ability is from God.
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    Originally Posted by dchena View Post
    jiggyfly, I don't understand the relevance of Acts 5:1-11. Can you explain it to me.

    Thanks all for your help. I guess discernment is critical, and I guess that the goal of such visions would be a way to discern: does it glorify God, or is it trying to glorify a person? Does it build up God's kingdom, or does is build up man?

    I seems like a good way to discern. Also fruits of the Spirit - which also support Gods Word and Christs example.

    So understanding the Word is probably the best way to discern?

    If you think I'm heading in the right direction, or not, please let me know.

    Thanks
    Still wondering what you think about the actual ability to have visions, from God or otherwise, not just the content. I am currently believing that the ability is from God.
    Sure, I posted Acts 5:1-11 for Jari.

    Posted by jari;
    its for especially true for those people who are close to the Lord, to see things in another people, instantly, which others dont see.

    i dont mean bad things, as Lord would never reveal any such things that isnt useful for the person him self, of another person through the prophecy.

    1Co 14:3 KJVA But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.


    so i believe the same principles as in prophecy applies to this gift...
    Many confuse the spiritual gifts of prophecy with word of knowledge.

    We can see here that the HolySpirit not only revealed the wrong motives of Ananias and Saphira to Peter but He had Peter expose them openly to the other believers.
    Religion is an ugly tyrant.

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