A simple but confusing equation!

One of my friend asked me a question, though I reasoned with him well but I couldn't find a convincing answer to his question.

He asked me;
1- Do you believe that Jesus is God(or part of God)?
The answer obviously comes "YES".

2- Do you believe that Jesus died on cross?
And again, there is no hesitation in saying "YES" as His death is the gift of Salvation.

He equated 1 & 2 and said; Do you believe God Died? Though he rosed up on 3rd day but still, How can God Almighty, The Creator and Everliving can ever Die?
And this equation brought all sorts of trouble to me in the back of my mind.
Can anyone bring some convincing reasoning to this simple equation?

Although I can't say I'm a Biblical scholar by any means, if asked this question myself, I would answer that God, through all his power became human. Although Jesus was God, he was also human, which is how he knows of human suffering as he went through it too. And died in a dreadful, painful, and humiliating way, but because he was also God, broke through death and came back to life, which is what we too will do when we die.

It is certainly one of the complicated Christian concepts, that Almighty God became human, but once accepted, it does make sense.

At least, this is the way I look on it, but if anyone has another interpretation I will gladly hear of it.

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Originally Posted by living

One of my friend asked me a question, though I reasoned with him well but I couldn't find a convincing answer to his question.

He asked me;
1- Do you believe that Jesus is God(or part of God)?
The answer obviously comes "YES".

2- Do you believe that Jesus died on cross?
And again, there is no hesitation in saying "YES" as His death is the gift of Salvation.

He equated 1 & 2 and said; Do you believe God Died? Though he rosed up on 3rd day but still, How can God Almighty, The Creator and Everliving can ever Die?
And this equation brought all sorts of trouble to me in the back of my mind.
Can anyone bring some convincing reasoning to this simple equation?

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Yes Jesus die because of our sins. That just tell you how much he love you. Did you really die? If he rose again. The answer is yes he die but he didn't exactly die like us (for a long time). He was resurrected from the death. Jesus is alive and that's all that matter. That he die for our sin and he's alive. Don't lost focus of Jesus and concentrate on these things because the soul purpose of his analogy is to proud that our God is a false God, and he is not real. But my friend the miraculous things God can do we won't able to understand it. Please read Job 38. and Psalms to see how much God love us all. God Bless Gladstone.

you should ask that friend, what does he understand by death?
what does he understand when he says "God died?" And think about this yourself.

There are at least 2 types of death (spiritual, and carnal - in the body). I believe Christ died both deaths. He was man, so he could die in the body. He was God, and He died in the spirit - Now, spiritual death is not that similar to the death of the body. It means to be separated from God the Father. Jesus was separated from God because He was full of our sins. This is also the death that people will experience in hell.

so, with a little bit of intelectual effort, and willing, your friend can understand this..

oh, and yeah... I think that if an allmighty God gives His life to people that don't deserve it, then that makes Him even grater, and "more allmighty" :angel:

hope to have been of help

1- Do you believe that Jesus is God(or part of God)?
The answer obviously comes "YES".
Yes, Jesus is the second person of the trinity( Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
When Jesus was baptised by John, the Spirit Of God came down like a dove and alighted on Him. Then a voice said from heaven "This is my dear Son, with whom I AM pleased" Matthew 3:16,17. So while the Son, Jesus was here on Earth, God, the Father was still in heaven. So, it was God the Father who raised Jesus the Son to life at the ressurrection.

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Originally Posted by baruch

1- Do you believe that Jesus is God(or part of God)?
The answer obviously comes "YES".
Yes, Jesus is the second person of the trinity( Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
When Jesus was baptised by John, the Spirit Of God came down like a dove and alighted on Him. Then a voice said from heaven "This is my dear Son, with whom I AM pleased" Matthew 3:16,17. So while the Son, Jesus was here on Earth, God, the Father was still in heaven. So, it was God the Father who raised Jesus the Son to life at the ressurrection.

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Thats it.......

"God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth" God expresses himself in three persons. A big subject

There comes a time in every sincere, and seeking life, when the questioning has to be put aside.

When a seeker needs to remember the words of Jesus "Ask and it shall be given you, Seek and you will find, Knock and it will be opened unto you. For he that asketh receiveth, he that seeketh findeth, and to him that knocks it will be opened. If you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask of Him"

The questioning human mind has to be byepassed, in order to receive from one so Almighty as the LOrd.

@ galdstone and others

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Originally Posted by gladstone

I would answer that God, through all his power became human. Although Jesus was God, he was also human, which is how he knows of human suffering as he went through it too. And died in a dreadful, painful, and humiliating way, but because he was also God, broke through death and came back to life, which is what we too will do when we die.

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Thank you all for your replies.
Infact I reasoned the same way. But that doesn't help much.

He argued that.

Who is God? God is the Creator, Absolute, free of all needs, Eternal.
Now what is Man? Man is Creation, we have several needs, i.e. we need to eat, drink, go to toilet etc, we take birth and we die(or resurrect).

Now, if we say that someone is God as well as Man, what does that implies? He is Creation and Creator at the same time, He is free of all needs and yet needs to eat, drink and go to toilet etc, He is Eternal and yet we talk about His birth and death(or resurrection).
So does this all make any sense?

And you said that God became human to know the human sufferings since God is so pure.
It seems a good reason. But it too has a problem, if God is our Creator and All Knowing, does He really need to do that all.
Take human example, We humans created/invented radio, television, mobiles etc. Do we need to become a radio to tell what is good and bad for it? or do we just write an instruction manual (give a guidance)?

:sad: I hope someone help solve this problem and provide me with some convincing reasoning for my friend.

The only advise or reasoning I could give is this.
We shouldn't speculate why God does things, we should praise Him for it, not contradict Him in our ways.

1 Timothy 3:16 (NIV)

16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He appeared in a body,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.

John 14:6-7 (NIV)

6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.

@ Sebi

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Originally Posted by sebi

you should ask that friend, what does he understand by death?
what does he understand when he says "God died?" And think about this yourself.

There are at least 2 types of death (spiritual, and carnal - in the body). I believe Christ died both deaths. He was man, so he could die in the body. He was God, and He died in the spirit - Now, spiritual death is not that similar to the death of the body. It means to be separated from God the Father. Jesus was separated from God because He was full of our sins. This is also the death that people will experience in hell.

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Thank you very much for your help. Infact I did ask him what you told me.

My friend replied:
Let us not indulge into types of death (spiritual or in body).
Do you think this term ‘death’(partial or impartial) suits the Eternal God?

He asked:
You said,” I believe Jesus Christ died both deaths”.
Now just replace Jesus Christ with the word “God” and say it again.
“I believe God died both deaths!!” And think on it; are you comfortable in believing in such a God?
Though I said “YES” but his question remains unanswered.


@ Stephen .................................................. ...............

Thank you my brother for your reply and devotion.

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Originally Posted by stephen

"God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth" God expresses himself in three persons.

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Though I will not give name to the nature of God’s being, therefore I will not even call Him a Spirit. But I hope you meant to say by the word ‘Spirit’ that we cannot put an image of God in our mind, we can’t compare Him with any thing physical bound in time and space (i.e. things in our universe).

But the reality is we don’t believe in that. When we say God, we do put an image of a God in our mind, that is a Model of Jesus Christ, A Man on a Cross! A we do treat God in physical terms, One who is like us, who walks, eats, feels pain, bleeds etc

Regarding God expressed Himself in three persons.
I would show more generosity and say that God though concealed but is expressed in every bit of this universe. In alteration of day and night, in the development of a child from the womb of mother to a grown up being, in water cycle, in the eco-system,.. infact there is a complete field of study, “Science” that describes the wonders of God. The Ultimate Wisdom and Balance in the Creation!


@ Teraside .................................................. ...............

Thank you for your post.

We devoted Christians do recognize those beautiful records of Bible. But it cannot serve as a valid reasoning for a one who is not a Christian and want to reason things.

I wanted to quote you but that would've looked like a mess, I apologize if this may offend you, but God is Spirit, God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Mark 12:29 (NIV)
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

John 14:16 (NIV)
26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Let us not forget that, also, God Himself is spirit.

John 4:24 (NIV)
24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

Another thing I disagree with is your statement that the Bible is not for an unbeliever, that is false, the Bible, God's Word is for everyone, the Bible has all the answers for believer and non believer alike.

I would appreciate it if you post scripture regarding what you say and not just your own opinion, this is a small warning.

God bless.