Originally Posted by Cody2

guys if we're goin to debate tha bible..do it out of love please

I think my debate was out of love... If you feel I was out of line feel free to express that to me. I wouldn't want a brother or sister to feel they couldn't argue with me over the word, because I need to be argued against when I'm wrong or I'll never see I'm wrong ;)

It's not as if I was debating Word of Life directly. She posted an article and she may not even have agreed with everything in it anyway. There are other ways to debate against eternal security, it was simply the way the author was approaching it that really was worded dangerously I thought. His intentions are good as I have said previously, but I have to strongly disagree with the direction he took. Thats all :D

Originally Posted by jculver

Once you come to God in genuine understanding of your condition, with a broken heart, realizing your sins, and pray that he saves you, I truly believe he saves you once and for all. If your faith is genuine you can't fall away because he will keep you, he wont let you fall into that kind of practicing sin! He already gave you Christ; won’t he do whatever other littler things on the way to keep you saved? The good work He started in you, He will bring to completion.

Amen brother! GOD's grace + genuine faith work hand in hand. Its His grace in Jesus that we receive salvation as a free gift and nothing else but His grace. Its our faith and obedience that assures us we will always be secure in Him. We've been warned to be obedient and not love the world's ways.

John 12:46-48 Amplified Bible

46I have come as a Light into the world, so that whoever believes in Me [whoever cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] may not continue to live in darkness.

47If anyone hears My teachings and fails to observe them [does not keep them, but disregards them], it is not I who judges him. For I have not come to judge and to condemn and to pass sentence and to inflict penalty on the world, but to save the world.

48Anyone who rejects Me and persistently sets Me at naught, refusing to accept My teachings, has his judge [however]; for the [very] message that I have spoken will itself judge and convict him at the last day.

Originally Posted by Cody2

guys if we're goin to debate tha bible..do it out of love please

Brother, who here is has done anything ungodly in their responses? They'd be banned quick if not publicly rebuked by me or another moderator. Everyone is being loving in their responses. Thank you all for that. Glory to GOD for His teachings

Originally Posted by Cody2

After a person is saved can their name be earased out of the book of life or is it eternal? I've been reading verses about this in Revelation. What is your view on this?

Read this link please...http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-answers/9318-eternal-security.html#post56876

Originally Posted by Chad

Amen brother! GOD's grace + genuine faith work hand in hand. Its His grace in Jesus that we receive salvation as a free gift and nothing else but His grace. Its our faith and obedience that assures us we will always be secure in Him. We've been warned to be obedient and not love the world's ways.

John 12:46-48 Amplified Bible

46I have come as a Light into the world, so that whoever believes in Me [whoever cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] may not continue to live in darkness.

47If anyone hears My teachings and fails to observe them [does not keep them, but disregards them], it is not I who judges him. For I have not come to judge and to condemn and to pass sentence and to inflict penalty on the world, but to save the world.

48Anyone who rejects Me and persistently sets Me at naught, refusing to accept My teachings, has his judge [however]; for the [very] message that I have spoken will itself judge and convict him at the last day.



Brother, who here is has done anything ungodly in their responses? They'd be banned quick if not publicly rebuked by me or another moderator. Everyone is being loving in their responses. Thank you all for that. Glory to GOD for His teachings




Read this link

Cool article :) I feel I have to stress again that I think the people who say we can loose our salvation have the best intentions. They don't want practicing sinners running around professing to be Christians, and frankly niether do I. I am ashamed to say that is the backround I come from. The "free grace is a license to sin" type of Christian was me for a long time :X It took a seriously intense read of "Hard to Believe" by John Macarthur to bring me out. I would reccomend that book to anyone.

thanks for tha link Chad..i agree :)....a preacher i talk to said this...The question is not about "once saved always saved" but "IF saved always saved."

That was an excellent article from gotquestions, it certainly has made things a lot more clearer to me.

Now going back to my other post, there are a lot more false teachers out in this world then ones thinks, which hurts me a lot, as these people really do think they are saved because of what they have been taught and don't know any better and have taken the ministers word for it.

Now the reason I have said this, because this has been bought close to home to me. My husband claimed to be Christian all the 13 years of us being married. But my husband was only truly saved 4 months ago, now that's shocking isn't it. This was certainly a real shock to him, because he really thought he had been saved all those years ago. The church that he went too, those many years ago only told him, that he only needed to accept Jesus as his savior and he was saved, and he would be going to eternity. He was never told about having babtism in the Holy Spirit. He honestly thought he was saved and that was the end of it. Its the Holy Spirit which saves us from sin. This is still taught today in some churches.

Now during the years of our marriage, we have had several discussions about certain cultures which he hated and I mean hated, and he could not forgive them for doing certain things etc. Also he said, even with his own children he would not forgive them, if they had or would do certain things that were wrong in life, well I just didn't understand how one who claimed to be a Christian could even think like that and I wasn't even saved myself at those times when we had those discussions.

Cutting a long story short as there are other personal issues involved, but early this year, me and my husband split up for about 2 months, he pleaded to have me back and I returned back to South Africa and I made it perfectly clear and told him I was following Christ and it was up to him. When I got back, I also explained to him about the Holy spirit and for what you have read above, he didn't know about being born in spirit. Well every day, my husband and I were in the bible, with him getting to know God and me getting to know God. In June this year, my husband was born in spirit. My husband is now a new person and see's all people in a totally different light, there is no hatred towards anyone or any culture now and he is as eager as I am to spread the word to the unsaved. He has also now joined a cell group and commited himself to being a disciple for Jesus.

Now the reason, I put this up here, if I had not been born in spirit, I probably would have gone off and had an affair, my mind wanted one thing but my heart was saying something completely different. That is the bottom line to it. God helped me and stopped me, God worked through me to help my husband, I could have done something completely wrong and destroyed my marriage. God told me to get back to South Africa and sort it out. It was extremely hard for me to get back on that plane, because I didn't want to go back, but God was with me all the way, comforted me and guided me all through this. I could have not have got through this without Him, its that simple.

My husband and I, are still together and we are working out a marriage problems, we have a long way to go yet. God is with us and God comes first and we both know that.

Originally Posted by Word of Life

That was an excellent article from gotquestions, it certainly has made things a lot more clearer to me.

Now going back to my other post, there are a lot more false teachers out in this world then ones thinks, which hurts me a lot, as these people really do think they are saved because of what they have been taught and don't know any better and have taken the ministers word for it.

Now the reason I have said this, because this has been bought close to home to me. My husband claimed to be Christian all the 13 years of us being married. But my husband was only truly saved 4 months ago, now that's shocking isn't it. This was certainly a real shock to him, because he really thought he had been saved all those years ago. The church that he went too, those many years ago only told him, that he only needed to accept Jesus as his savior and he was saved, and he would be going to eternity. He was never told about having babtism in the Holy Spirit. He honestly thought he was saved and that was the end of it. Its the Holy Spirit which saves us from sin. This is still taught today in some churches.

Now during the years of our marriage, we have had several discussions about certain cultures which he hated and I mean hated, and he could not forgive them for doing certain things etc. Also he said, even with his own children he would not forgive them, if they had or would do certain things that were wrong in life, well I just didn't understand how one who claimed to be a Christian could even think like that and I wasn't even saved myself at those times when we had those discussions.

Cutting a long story short as there are other personal issues involved, but early this year, me and my husband split up for about 2 months, he pleaded to have me back and I returned back to South Africa and I made it perfectly clear and told him I was following Christ and it was up to him. When I got back, I also explained to him about the Holy spirit and for what you have read above, he didn't know about being born in spirit. Well every day, my husband and I were in the bible, with him getting to know God and me getting to know God. In June this year, my husband was born in spirit. My husband is now a new person and see's all people in a totally different light, there is no hatred towards anyone or any culture now and he is as eager as I am to spread the word to the unsaved. He has also now joined a cell group and commited himself to being a disciple for Jesus.

Now the reason, I put this up here, if I had not been born in spirit, I probably would have gone off and had an affair, my mind wanted one thing but my heart was saying something completely different. That is the bottom line to it. God helped me and stopped me, God worked through me to help my husband, I could have done something completely wrong and destroyed my marriage. God told me to get back to South Africa and sort it out. It was extremely hard for me to get back on that plane, because I didn't want to go back, but God was with me all the way, comforted me and guided me all through this. I could have not have got through this without Him, its that simple.

My husband and I, are still together and we are working out a marriage problems, we have a long way to go yet. God is with us and God comes first and we both know that.

Well with God at the center of your marriage now I just don't think it can go wrong. There is no problem you wont get through. Really this story is great and should be celebrated :) Your husband is saved now and that is just fantastic!

Whats strange is in June thats when I became a true Christian myself. I think maybe God is getting sick of that easy beliefism in the church. I ran around doing whatever I wanted to, and all of it was sinful. Luckily I got pulled out of that. My situation now is just filled with pieces of things from living in my sinful way. Things are coming up that I simply do not know how to deal with now that I am a Christian. I have faith with God they will get worked out, just like I have faith that with God at the center of your marriage there is no way it can fail.

I have never really been to South Africa so I don't know how bad the false teachers problem is, but it has been a huge problem here in America for as long as I have been alive. I think it has always been that way. Many books of the new testament mentions false teachers and apostasy, and deal with those issues. I love the verse in Jude that says even those false teachers, or those following them can still be "pulled from the fire". God is so forgiving it just crushes me. They can still be saved, and that is the good news :)

Satan is celever. He isn't going to put a sign that says "Hell" on the broad road. He puts a sign that says "Heaven".

I am very happy to hear jculver, that you have now been truly saved. God is wonderful, thats for sure.

And I will tell you from my heart, where people go wrong, people tend to follow mans rules and you now have religion instead of God.

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me

I think maybe God is getting sick of that easy beliefism in the church. I ran around doing whatever I wanted to, and all of it was sinful.

You see, that church probably told you, which is right in scripture, God will always forgive you for your sins. Which is correct in scripture, but they forgot to mention these scriptures too.

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

He will not condemn us, but He is also saying sin no more. When you are born in spirit you won't want to sin, or at least battling and trying not to sin.

I also did a study on water babtism and babtism in spirit this week, that was very interesting and would recommend one doing that study.