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Another Jesus? - 05-28-06, 07:02 PM

Another Jesus?

Is the Jesus of the Roman Catholic Church the biblical Jesus? Knowing and believing the real Jesus is critical because Jesus said, "If you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins" (John 8:24). A different Jesus is preached by many deceivers (2 Corinthians 11:3-4) who deny His finished work of redemption.

The Mormons preach Jesus is the brother of Lucifer and was a man who became God.

The Jehovah Witnesses preach Jesus was not God but claim he was Michael the arch angel.

Roman Catholicism preaches a Jesus that was unable to purge all sin or pay the complete penalty for sin.

The Biblical Jesus assures Christians they have been saved from condemnation. "Now that we have been justified by His blood, it is all the more certain that we shall be saved by Him from God's wrath" (Roman 5:9). The one time, perfect and all sufficient sacrifice of Jesus completely satisfied the wrath of God (1 John 2:2).

Roman Catholicism denies this fundamental teaching and deceives its people into believing that the sacrifice of the Mass satisfied God's wrath not only for the sins of the living but also for the sins of the dead (Canon 3, Council of Trent). Catholics are cursed with anathema by their church if they claim they are saved from God's wrath, (Canon 30, Council of Trent). Catholics know Jesus only as a "gate opener" to heaven. For Catholics to go through the gates of heaven they must save themselves through the Mass and sacraments.

The Jesus of the Bible expiates sin. "Through His blood, God made Him the means of the expiation for all who believe" (Roman 3:25). Yet the Catholic Church teaches Catholics must expiate their own sins. "This may be done through the sorrows, miseries and trials of this life and, above all, through death. Otherwise the expiation must be made in the next life through fire and torments of purifying punishments" (Vatican Council II).

The Jesus of the Bible is the only mediator between God and man (I Timothy 2:15), yet the Roman Catholic Church offers Mary as the mediator. Pope Pius IX proclaimed that "God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will: that we obtain everything through Mary."

The Jesus of the Bible claimed He was the only way to the heavenly Father (John 14:6). Vatican II denies this by stating, "the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst who are the Moslems."

So why does the Roman Catholic Church hide the real Jesus from its followers? Because the real Jesus sets people free! In contrast, the Roman Catholic Church maintains control of its people through legalistic rituals, sacraments and threats of anathema's. The biblical Jesus saves believers from the bondage of sin, deception and religion.

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05-28-06, 07:10 PM

It's just very sad to hear the opinion of these different religions, and it's even more sad to know what a grip these religions have on the world today.

All we can do is pray. God knows what's going on in the world today. The roman catholic church has been around longer than I have. God has to have a purpose with these people or He would have removed them from their position of authority. You said in shoutbox you come from a catholic background Coconut.

What do the catholics teach regarding salvation? Is Jesus the only way to go to heaven? What is their teaching regarding being born again?

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05-28-06, 07:49 PM

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It's just very sad to hear the opinion of these different religions, and it's even more sad to know what a grip these religions have on the world today.

All we can do is pray. God knows what's going on in the world today. The roman catholic church has been around longer than I have. God has to have a purpose with these people or He would have removed them from their position of authority. You said in shoutbox you come from a catholic background Coconut.

What do the catholics teach regarding salvation? Is Jesus the only way to go to heaven? What is their teaching regarding being born again?
As for "authority", they are not authority and never were. Jesus Christ is Authority and that is it, period. Just because man calls himself authority or a group/cult, it does not make them authority at all. Same for what is "popular" or "majority", means nothing but jibberish thrash that will pass. If GOD wanted to remove anyone for their deceit, I believe the majority of mankind would have been wiped out by now. Basically put, justice will be served on GOD's timing not ours

Psalm 1:5-6
5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous;
6 for the LORD knows the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked will perish.

Psalm 37:27-29
27 Turn away from evil and do good;
so shall you dwell forever.
28 For the LORD loves justice;
he will not forsake his saints.
They are preserved forever,
but the children of the wicked shall be cut off.
29 The righteous shall inherit the land
and dwell upon it forever.


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05-28-06, 08:20 PM

Despite what anyone may say, salvation comes only from faith in Christ, and not from works of any kind. Consider the following passage, which is used by the RCC to justify the notion of salvation by faith and works:
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2:26)
The meaning of this passage is very simple. If any faith does not produce good works, then it is dead (i.e. not true faith), for true faith produces good works. Good works do not procure salvation, but salvation produces good works. Nowhere does this passage imply that works are necessary for salvation. =)


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05-28-06, 08:34 PM

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Despite what anyone may say, salvation comes only from faith in Christ, and not from works of any kind. Consider the following passage, which is used by the RCC to justify the notion of salvation by faith and works:
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2:26)
The meaning of this passage is very simple. If any faith does not produce good works, then it is dead (i.e. not true faith), for true faith produces good works. Good works do not procure salvation, but salvation produces good works. Nowhere does this passage imply that works are necessary for salvation. =)
Good post Irishmaestro, well said.


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05-28-06, 08:35 PM

In John ch 14 Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life"

Without the Way, there is no Going
Without the Truth,there is no Knowing
Without the Life,there is no Living.


I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, thats what Jesus said. On this web site........we believe it.......Amen


Jesus said "I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE"......Without the WAY there is no GOING, without the TRUTH there is no KNOWING without the LIFE there is no LIVING....
   
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05-28-06, 08:37 PM

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In John ch 14 Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life"
Without the Way, there is no Going
Without the Truth,there is no Knowing
Without the Life,there is no Living.

I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, thats what Jesus said. On this web site........we believe it.......Amen
Well said! Lord bless you! =)


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05-28-06, 08:49 PM

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Well said! Lord bless you! =)
God Bless You too brother. We need His blessing, amen, which He gives to us daily As we live for Him....


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05-28-06, 09:24 PM

No teraside, you must be mistaken in what you read, I do not have a catholic background, however Fellowservant was gloriously converted to Christ from a catholic upbringing (he has an amazing testimony if you would like to ask him about it)

What do the catholics teach regarding salvation? That you must be catholic first and foremost, and there is no salvation outside the catholic church and adherance to its teachings and partaking of its sacraments.
Is Jesus the only way to go to heaven? Yes. (Does the catholic church say Jesus is the only way to heaven? Well yes, they say He is, along with Mary as co-redeemer of course.)
Note -John Paul II has no problem kissing the Koran, a book that denies Jesus is the Son of God. Does this make you ask what allegiance the Shepherd of the catholic church has for Christ?
What is their teaching regarding being born again? They teach water baptism is the rebirth.


Jesus is the Good Shepherd who gave His life for His sheep.

"I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine." (John 10:I0-14)

Roman Catholicism would have us believe that the pope is the "good shepherd" here in Christ's stead, thus the title: "Vicar of Christ" and "Shepherd of the Universal Church". If this be so, it begs the question why has the 'Shepherd(s)' of the catholic church allowed the Word of God to be bypassed and/or upsurped by thier very own, to bring the world another gospel besides that which Christ preached?

If you are Catholic and have placed your trust in the catholic church, the Pope, or in Mary for salvation, or anything along with Christ, you will be lost, according to the Word of God. I invite you to come to the true Shepherd who "...did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth...Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls." (1 Pet.2:22-25

I came across this website earlier called IT IS FINISHED...amen!
http://itisfinished.vze.com/


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05-29-06, 08:17 AM

Sorry Coconut, I apologize my friend, lol. I confused you with Chad. I made a mistake when reading shoutbox.
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Chadi: Same here, I abandoned the false doctrine and went directly to TRUTH as told in the Holy Bible, no other "bible" version but the one annointed and breathed by the Holy Spirit, the TRUE author
Thanks for answering my questions about the roman catholic church. I agree with you Chad, Jesus is the only authority there is. I used the wrong words to convey my intention. You made it clear that God will serve justice at His own timing. I fully agree with this.
I believe though that God also has the ability to remove leaders and or people if He is not pleased. The story comes to mind of King Herod, if I'm not mistaken. The angel of God knocked him dead and the worms ate his body.
I guess this is always in my mind, that whatever the world may do. God is supreme, and if He chooses no one can hide from His justice.

Acts 12:21-23

21On an appointed day Herod, having put on his royal apparel, took his seat on the rostrum and began delivering an address to them.

22The people kept crying out, "The voice of a god and not of a man!"

23And immediately an angel of the Lord struck him because he did not give God the glory, and he was eaten by worms and died.

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