Originally Posted by Joe in Arkansas

I know that I am coming in late on this thread, but from what I have read (I admit have not read every page), no one is seeing the truth of this matter. Satan has taken over the whole of the mainstream "Christian" churches. I do not know of any that even teach the true Gospel of Christ and who He is. That is why Christ said in Rev 18 to "come out of her my people". The whole church (regardless of denomination) is harlot. They have all gone astray. I don't know of any church that even has a one complete doctrine that is the truth of scripture. They are all spiritually blind leading those who would follow them into the ditch. Paul was told shortly before he departed, that wolves would come into the churches that he started and that they not spare any of the flock. Christ even said that the church would become harlot in Matthew 13.

Mat 13:31-32 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

For those who have eyes and ears to understand, Christ is saying that those Christians who make up the church in the world will be corrupted by false teachings. The mustard seed is the Word of God. The man is Christ. The field are Christians (churches) who receive the Word in the world and as the Word grows inside them, evil spirits in the form of false doctrines come and corrupt them. The church becomes harlot.

Again in the very next parable:

Matt 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

This parable relates the same message. Leaven is false teachings. The woman is the church. The three measures of meal is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The false teachings grow to totally corrupt the teachings of Christ. The church becomes harlot.

As I said, the Word of God has been perverted for so long now by the churches, that no truth remains in her (the church in the world). She has become totally harlot.

The doctrine of Hell is the most damnable lie that has ever been told concerning the character of Christ. The doctrine of free will is false. The trinity doctrine is false, The doctrine on tithing is false. The Gospel of Christ they teach is false. All matters concerns the salvation of an individual is false. Things taught about resurrection are false and I could go on and on. Some of their teachings contain elements of truth but most do not. The leaven has completely leavened the meal.

If you have been given eyes that see and ears that ear, then you should obey Christ and come out of her and start following the true Christ. If you can hear the voice of the Lord, He and He alone will show you the Truth through His Word. The woman has only leaven.

I know that I have laid a lot in this post and I know probably everyone will deny what I have said is true. But I stand ready to defend my faith.

To save time, if anyone really wants to know more of what the true Christ says in scripture, I touched on many points in my posts in the "Question about Matthew 24 fig tree" thread down in the normal thread section.

May the Lord bless you,
Joe

Good Murnin........Joe:

So we have no free will, there is no trinity, and hell is but an fairy tale.
If I go to a church and someone tells me a false way, and yet this church has a food drive to help the poor and in general is made up of good people.......you see all churches are so. Churches are us, me, you, all of us......and there is sin in the church as we are men and we are sinners. The point is to see it and fix it and to do so with gentle intent. Not to condemn everything because of a bit of bad.

Anyway this is my last post on Talk Jesus, I have visited, watched, participated and decided there are way too many false teachings on this site and allowed.

I see posts like yours tolerated......when they are in their full entirety false.

I see folks with a bit of humor ......banned.

I see folks accused of things in the minds of a rule maker banned.

I suppose it was the thread about Doctors and the sick and healing that finished me off.

Previous to this I would see some make a little joke........banned.

Yes I see false nonsense like your statements allowed.

Religion with the way of man worked into it, the sayings of men, the control factor of men , the wish to cause fear and control......are the very things Jesus fought against. Yes I see it everyday, the religious right know so well.......and Jesus cries.

Well nuff.........not picking on you exactly.......just fed up.....and just like a church that becomes full of things that cannot be corrected , I always just walk away.

So today I take a walk......I voluntarily ban myself.

May God in his grace help all to see the compassion, kindness and his true will.

That all take to heat Jeremiah 29:11. For the thoughts I have to you are of peace, kindness and for the expected end and continuation of the creation.

God is not the author of confusion......it is very clear, yet the religion makes the water hard to see the pool drain.

See ya..........all. I am not a theoligist who becomes so wise that he becomes a fool..........I see so much of that...........and have no wish to be a part of it or to even read it........

I will sit with Jesus and cry.......it is so simple, just believe in me and I will hold you........I am kind, I love you and I understand the failings of man......this is why I gave my life for you. Can you not simply take me for how simple it is???

Kit

Originally Posted by Kit Carson

Good Murnin........Joe:

So we have no free will, there is no trinity, and hell is but an fairy tale.
If I go to a church and someone tells me a false way, and yet this church has a food drive to help the poor and in general is made up of good people.......you see all churches are so. Churches are us, me, you, all of us......and there is sin in the church as we are men and we are sinners. The point is to see it and fix it and to do so with gentle intent. Not to condemn everything because of a bit of bad.

Anyway this is my last post on Talk Jesus, I have visited, watched, participated and decided there are way too many false teachings on this site and allowed.

I see posts like yours tolerated......when they are in their full entirety false.

I see folks with a bit of humor ......banned.

I see folks accused of things in the minds of a rule maker banned.

I suppose it was the thread about Doctors and the sick and healing that finished me off.

Previous to this I would see some make a little joke........banned.

Yes I see false nonsense like your statements allowed.

Religion with the way of man worked into it, the sayings of men, the control factor of men , the wish to cause fear and control......are the very things Jesus fought against. Yes I see it everyday, the religious right know so well.......and Jesus cries.

Well nuff.........not picking on you exactly.......just fed up.....and just like a church that becomes full of things that cannot be corrected , I always just walk away.

So today I take a walk......I voluntarily ban myself.

May God in his grace help all to see the compassion, kindness and his true will.

That all take to heat Jeremiah 29:11. For the thoughts I have to you are of peace, kindness and for the expected end and continuation of the creation.

God is not the author of confusion......it is very clear, yet the religion makes the water hard to see the pool drain.

See ya..........all. I am not a theoligist who becomes so wise that he becomes a fool..........I see so much of that...........and have no wish to be a part of it or to even read it........

I will sit with Jesus and cry.......it is so simple, just believe in me and I will hold you........I am kind, I love you and I understand the failings of man......this is why I gave my life for you. Can you not simply take me for how simple it is???

Kit

Fair enough, sorry to see you go but one must do what they feel is right.

Originally Posted by Kit Carson

Good Murnin........Joe:

So we have no free will, there is no trinity, and hell is but an fairy tale.
If I go to a church and someone tells me a false way, and yet this church has a food drive to help the poor and in general is made up of good people.......you see all churches are so. Churches are us, me, you, all of us......and there is sin in the church as we are men and we are sinners. The point is to see it and fix it and to do so with gentle intent. Not to condemn everything because of a bit of bad.

Anyway this is my last post on Talk Jesus, I have visited, watched, participated and decided there are way too many false teachings on this site and allowed.

I see posts like yours tolerated......when they are in their full entirety false.

I see folks with a bit of humor ......banned.

I see folks accused of things in the minds of a rule maker banned.

I suppose it was the thread about Doctors and the sick and healing that finished me off.

Previous to this I would see some make a little joke........banned.

Yes I see false nonsense like your statements allowed.

Religion with the way of man worked into it, the sayings of men, the control factor of men , the wish to cause fear and control......are the very things Jesus fought against. Yes I see it everyday, the religious right know so well.......and Jesus cries.

Well nuff.........not picking on you exactly.......just fed up.....and just like a church that becomes full of things that cannot be corrected , I always just walk away.

So today I take a walk......I voluntarily ban myself.

May God in his grace help all to see the compassion, kindness and his true will.

That all take to heat Jeremiah 29:11. For the thoughts I have to you are of peace, kindness and for the expected end and continuation of the creation.

God is not the author of confusion......it is very clear, yet the religion makes the water hard to see the pool drain.

See ya..........all. I am not a theoligist who becomes so wise that he becomes a fool..........I see so much of that...........and have no wish to be a part of it or to even read it........

I will sit with Jesus and cry.......it is so simple, just believe in me and I will hold you........I am kind, I love you and I understand the failings of man......this is why I gave my life for you. Can you not simply take me for how simple it is???

Kit

Kit,
I am sorry to see you go also. Since you and I had some discussions in the Fig tree thread, you are probably well aware of what I believe and why. However, I do not state "false nonsense" in my posts. I can and I do back them up with scripture. Scripture is God's Word and "should" override our carnal reasoning and traditions of man. When someone disagrees with me, they rarely use scripture in their rebuttal and they want to ignore the scriptures that I posted. They seem to run from the Truth of scripture if the Truth is different from what they have been taught all their lives. It is a difficult thing to admit that your faith has been in vain for most of your life and that you have been following "another Jesus".

For me, I came to this conclusion when I was 44 years old. I had been in the "church" since childhood and I thought I knew what scripture said. But when the Lord came to me in October 2005, my life was turned upside down one Saturday morning at home. Graciously, the Lord revealed Himself to my wife at the same time and we both could finally see the true Lord that we should have been following all along. It was no different for Paul on the road to Damascus. His life too was turned upside down in a single day. Though the Lord did not appear to us visually, nonetheless, He appeared to us and healed our spiritual blindness. Unless you have experienced the same thing, it is difficult to understand and believe what my wife and I experienced as being true. But over the years since that second coming of Christ to us, we have found a few fellow believers who have very similar testimonies. They too heard Christ's voice telling them to "come out" of the harlot churches and to follow Him. Paul too, when confronted with the true Christ, came out of the Jewish religion to start following Him.

Once you have seen the true Christ, a new, strong, deep love for God develops. It is hard to express in words - you have to experience it to understand the change that occurs inside you. The "Word" for the first time, starts to be written in your heart instead of having it outwardly written on tablets of stone (law of Moses). Christ's yoke becomes easy when the Word is written in your hearts. The Truth of Christ will truly set you free. I now follow Christ strictly because of the love He put in my heart for Him. I do not follow Him out of fear in any way. For the next year following His appearing to me, I couldn't hardly stop studying scripture - it was like reading it for the first time. Nothing I had learned in the church the first 44 years of my life was true. I had been deceived by the master deceiver.

I now search for other believers in the harlot church who the Lord is ready to come again to and heal their vision as He did for me and my wife. There are only a few out there as compared to the millions that are in the harlot church. It is those persons with whom I seek to have fellowship. For all the others, this verse applies:

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Remember, the book of Revelation is a book of symbols that have spiritual meaning. It is not literal. The "earth" is the harlot church. They who dwell on the "earth" dwell a little higher than those who dwell in the sea (unbelievers), but they dwell much lower than God's Chosen who dwell in the heavens with Christ. The "two prophets" represent God's Chosen from the time of Christ to the present day. When the Chosen preach the true Christ, it can be a tormenting experience for those who dwell on the earth. The Word of God is said to be a sword. In response, I have been verbally attacked at times on the internet from those who have been offended by hearing the Truth.

The most sensitive area for a lot of harlot Christians is their belief in the doctrine of Hell. Many of them actually relish in the idea that those who disagree with them will be tortured in fire for all eternity. They think that horrendous punishment is justified for anyone who does not want to join their club of believers. They are totally lacking in the love of Christ who would never do such a thing. The doctrine of hell is the most hideous, monstrous doctrine ever conceived by the mind of man. Even the unbelieving governments in this world have outlawed torture of this kind. Most Christians would never even think of torturing someone with fire in this life because it is so repulsive, but in the after life, somehow it is not only okay, but they believe it to be justified. It is no wonder why most of the world rejects the Christ that those Harlot Christians follow. Those harlot Christians have made Christ out to be a living nightmare for the world. This type of Christ is void of love and draws people to him out of fear. However, with the true Christ, people are drawn to Him out of love. There is no fear in love as the scripture states.

I have been commanded to teach that Christ is the Savior of all men and that is what I do.

1Tim 4:9-11 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. These things command and teach.

The harlot church believes that Christ cannot save 99% of the world but will torture them in fire for all eternity. They believe man's supposed "free will" is too much for Him to overcome. If they are right, then the above scripture (any many others) is a lie. You decide; is Christ the Savior of all men or only about 1% of men?

May the Lord Bless you,
Joe

Joe, I am also coming in late on this post, but reading your post saddens me. When you say "church" do you mean the people behind organized religion? Religion is not Christianity. Chruch is not Christianity, and not all christians are Christians. I know you probably have heard the term "drug store cowboy", the same applies to a lot of so called christians. All through history, from the first days after Christ went home to now, people have done a lot of bad and evil things in the name of "christianity and church". That does not make all churches bad, nor all Christians false.

The true church are God fearing, Bible believing, Jesus loving people who try to live as Christ would have them to. These are the people who are the Bride of Christ and will sit at the marriage supper with him. Jesus said in Matthew 8: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way,which leadeth into life, and few there be that find it. We have to be sure we are one of the few.
Hang on to your faith and I'll save you a seat at the marriage supper.
Your neighbor in Missouri

Joe, just wondering if the following verses are just to be ignored?

DESCRIPTION OF HELL



Has Sides:
Isaiah 14:15 “Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit”. (KJV)

Has Gates:
Matthew 16:18 “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”. (KJV)

Has Keys:
Revelation 1:18 “I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death”. (KJV)

Has Fire:
Matthew 13:42 “And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth”. (KJV)

Has Weeping:
Matthew 22:13 “Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth”. (KJV)

Matthew 13:42 “And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth”. (KJV)

Has Begging:
Luke 16:24 “And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame”. (KJV)

Has Torment (forever):
Luke 16:24 “And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame”. (KJV)

Revelation 14:11 “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name”. (KJV)

Is Permanent:
Luke 16:26 “And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence”. (KJV)

The Fire is not Quenched; the worm dieth not:
Mark 9:45-49 “And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt”. (KJV)

Has Deep mourning, flesh and body consumed:
Proverbs 5:11-14 “And thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed, And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof; and have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me! I was almost in all evil in the midst of the congregation and assembly”. (KJV)

Who will not be in Hell???:
Revelation 14:12-13 “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them”. (KJV)

Revelation 20:15 “And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire”. (KJV)
John 16:7-9 “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me”; (KJV)

Written by Mickey Thibodeaux

So the remainder of the bible is found acceptable by Joe? Do we just chuck out the above words (issuing out of the mouth of God) because you don't believe them?

Whatever my Lord tells me, whether by parable or by happening.....Joe, I BELIEVE IT.

Have not read through the 10+ pages of this thread, but was wondering if someone does not believe Jesus is God, as in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob fully incarnate, then
are they not a Christian, or redeemed. If they believe that Jesus is the Word of God come in the flesh, died for their sins, for their redemption back to God the Father, and Jesus is
sat at the right hand side of the Father, then are they not saved?

There is a way that seems right to a man. But in the end, it leads to death. The pharisees and teachers of the law loved to expound upon the basics of faith and burden the people with more laws than what God required. Much of accepted faith in the christian faith IS based on the bible FROM scripture, just interpreted in one way where others interpret in another way. Does any man have a way of proving one so-called spirit led interpretation is greater than another. Scripture is Holy, yet man have been cutting away at the canon of scripture sinse the time of the first council gathered to help against the chaos of Gnostism. Where does it end? I know of some now that only trust the words in red... Jesus's words, even tho He didnt write them, but a man did under the influence of the Holy Spirit. If you have the spirit, it jumps at the truth, and holds it as precious, regardless of what theologians say using an intellect with man's wisdom mixed in with Godly wisdom. Be wary of who you condemn, for it can cause that same condemnation to fall on those who do so to others without the specific guidance of the Lord (which is always based on the word of that man... thats why our works MUST prove out our faith, or we prove ourselves liars and unworthy to teach others).

It's not only the Roman Catholic Church but the Christian church as a whole (without any exception) that is against the knowledge of God for all based on Christ's death on the cross, a.k.a., the "rock foundation" and seal of the "new covenant" of life-transforming visions by the Spirit only.

(Jer. 31: 31-34; Luke 2: 25-32; Matt. 16: 13-28; 26: 26-29, 64; 27: 50-56; John 4: 21-26; Acts 2)

A real statement of faith. It's sad to see that the "new age church" it's gaining so much terrain on believers.

You must be born again.