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01-15-06, 05:25 PM

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

This prophecy definately fits the RCC, I still can remember my mom saying we could'nt eat meat on good friday. And they also forbid marriage to its leaders. These seducing spirits have been with this church from day one.


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Catholics should not eat meat on Good Friday, Ash Wednesday, and Fridays during Lent.


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01-15-06, 09:00 PM

Revelation 17
1*And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.3*So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 and upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.7*And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8* The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9*And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10*And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11*And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12*And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13* These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14* These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15*And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16*And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17*For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18*And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Some believe these scriptures describe the RCC.

Chad, thank you for being bold and concerned enough to post this thread, knowing the possibility of ridicule and harsh reactions. May God bless you with the strength necessary to endure all the attitude that follows.

Mark 7:9-13
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 but ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Thank you Chad for being devoted to upholding Truth in the hopes for those bound by false doctrine and deception becoming free to walk in the fullness of Jesus the Christ.


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01-15-06, 09:34 PM

As you probably know, the Council of Trent anathematizes (curses) everyone who is not Roman Catholic and who does not subscribe to the list of doctrines in that document. For your reference here are quotes that document the authenticity of the Council of Trent as well as the fact that the current Pope still upholds the Council of Trent for ALL Catholics:


In January 1996, Pope John Paul II commemorated the 450th anniversary of the opening of the Council of Trent by visiting Trento, Italy, and affirming that Trent's declarations “maintain all their value.” [emphasis mine]

The Council of Trent was conducted by four different popes (Paul III, Julius III, Paul IV, Pius IV) between the years 1545 to 1565, and had the two-fold goal of bringing reform to Catholicism and condemning and hindering the growth of Protestantism. A series of anathemas were issued against Protestant doctrine. The Index of Prohibited Books was set up, condemning authors and writings which were deemed anti-Catholic. During the era of Trent, the barbarous Inquisition was further unleashed against those who dared to reject Roman heresies.

In 1564 the doctrines of Trent were summarized in a papal bull entitled The Tridentine Profession of Faith. Dr. Raymond Surburg notes that “all Roman Catholic clergy and teachers must subscribe to it as well as converts to the faith from Protestantism. The person subscribing to it must swear true obedience to the Pope” (The Christian News, July 10, 1995, p. 6).


An official statement of the doctrines approved at Trent were issued in 1566 in the Roman Catechism.

The Council of Trent denied every Reformation doctrine, including Scripture alone and grace alone. Trent hurled 125 anathemas (eternal damnation) against Bible-believing Christians, including these: [emphasis mine]

“If any one shall deny that the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and therefore entire Christ, are truly, really, and substantially contained in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist; and shall say that He is only in it as a sign, or in a figure, or virtually--let him be accursed” (Canon 1).

“If any one shall say that the substance of the bread and wine remains in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, together with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and shall deny that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the blood, the outward forms of the bread and wine still remaining, which conversion the Catholic Church most aptly calls transubstantiation--let him be accursed” (Canon 2).

“If any man shall say that Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is not to be adored in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, even with the open worship of latria, and therefore not to be venerated with any peculiar festal celebrity, nor to be solemnly carried about in processions according to the praiseworthy, and universal rites and customs of the holy Church, and that he is not to be publicly set before the people to be adored, and that his adorers are idolaters--let him be accursed” (Canon 6).

“If anyone shall say that the ungodly man is justified by faith only so as to understand that nothing else is required that may cooperate to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is in no wise necessary for him to be prepared and disposed by the motion of his own will ... let him be accursed” (Canon 9).

“If anyone shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified ... let him be accursed” (Canon 12).

These proclamations and anathemas were fleshed out in the murderous persecutions vented upon true Christians by Rome--and Trent has never been annulled. The Vatican II Council in the 1960s referred to Trent dozens of times, quoting Trent's proclamations as authoritative and reaffirming Trent on every hand. The New Catholic Catechism cites Trent no less than 99 times. There is not the slightest hint that the proclamations of the Council of Trent have been abrogated by Rome.

“The Fathers of the Council, continuing the work begun by the Council of Trent, confidently entrust to superiors and professors in seminaries the duty of training Christ's future priests in the spirit of that renewal promoted by the Council itself” (Decree on the Training of Priests, p. 654).

WHY WERE OUR REFORMERS BURNED?

I wish my readers to remember that the burning of the Marian martyrs is an act that the Church of Rome has never repudiated, apologized for, or repented of, down to the present day. There stands the huge blot on her escutcheon; and there stands the huge fact side by side, that she never made any attempt to wipe it away. Never has she repented of her treatment of the Vaudois and the Albigenses;-never has she repented of the wholesale murders of the Spanish Inquisition; -never has she repented of the massacre of St. Bartholomew;-never has she repented of the burning of the English Reformers. We should make a note of that fact, and let it sink down into our minds.

Rome never changes. Rome will never admit that she has made mistakes. She burned our English Reformers 300 years ago. She tried hard to stamp out by violence the Protestantism which she could not prevent spreading by arguments. If Rome had only the power, I am not sure that she would not attempt to play the whole game over again.


It is fashionable [now affectionatly called charitable] in some quarters to deny that there is any such thing as certainty about religious truth, or any opinions for which it is worth while to be burned. Yet, 300 years ago, there were men who were certain they had found out truth, and were content to die for their opinions.-

None spoke more pithily, weightily, and powerfully than did this Suffolk incumbent.

Striking and deeply affecting was his last testament and legacy of advice to his wife, his family, and parishioners, though far too long to be inserted here, excepting the last sentence : -"For God's sake beware of Popery: for though it appear to have in it unity, yet the same is vanity and Antichristianity, and not in Christ's faith and verity."-Foxe's "Acts and Monuments," vol. iii.p.144.


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01-15-06, 09:36 PM

God bless you brother. Praise GOD for His Truth that sets us free through Jesus Christ - OUR LIVING SAVIOR, HIS LIVING WORD!

I am not afraid of anyone's opinions. I'm afraid (devastated) at the thought of not standing up for our merciful, all loving graceful GOD who set me free. So I stand preaching His given Word that has been around since the dawn of human life.

The Scripture you quoted is great, right on. I believe this is right about the RCC as well.


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01-15-06, 10:24 PM

Glad to hear that chad,Many sites do not allow truth and even reject scripture as truth.I am on a site ,That they do not want much faith healing preached .as a mod as sugar and cannot accept he could be healed.He wants no thoughts of faith healing.Those that are sick.Will not want healing preached ,those that do not see the signs and wonders .Do not want them preached.But if we have these things or not.Does not change the bible.I must have and live by GODS LIVING WORD.EVEN UNTO DEATH!Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
THIS IS THE KEY TO HEALING.TRUSTING OUR LORD,EVEN UNTO DEATH.But,We should do as HE teaches us.Then stand?In faith believing.If we are not healed.Then I would say .SEEk HIS face!ASK HIm why not?Then live as you MUST!The point being.LIVING IN THE LIGHT YOU HAVE!WE CAN NOT LIVE IN MORE!But must live up the THE TRUTH ,HE HAS REVEALED TO US!THE VERY BEST WE CAN!HE WILL GUIDE AND PROTECT US!
BUT IF HE DIDN"T ?STILL WE MUST TRUST HIS JUDGEMENT UNTO DEATH.IF WE WANT THAT CROWN ,AND TOO HEAR HIM SAY?WELL DONE MY FAITHFUL CHILD.NOT ALL WILL FOLLOW HIM.MANY FELLOW OTHERS ,JUST AS WEAK AS THEY ARE!MANY WOULD DIE FOR THERE CHURCHES.BUT NOT THERE LORD AND MASTER!HE MUST BE THE MAIN BEING IN OUR LIFES.AND TELLS US HOW TO SERVE HIM,AND HIM ALONE!


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01-15-06, 10:30 PM

So i will minister grace to the hearers, If you are Roman Catholic, repent of this, and draw near to God, he will also draw near to you. He will manifest himself to you, showing you the real way to salvation, by faith in Christ alone for your salvation.

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Glad to hear that chad,Many sites do not allow truth and even reject scripture as truth.I am on a site ,That they do not want much faith healing preached .as a mod as sugar and cannot accept he could be healed.He wants no thoughts of faith healing.Those that are sick.Will not want healing preached ,those that do not see the signs and wonders .Do not want them preached.But if we have these things or not.Does not change the bible.I must have and live by GODS LIVING WORD.EVEN UNTO DEATH!Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
THIS IS THE KEY TO HEALING.TRUSTING OUR LORD,EVEN UNTO DEATH.But,We should do as HE teaches us.Then stand?In faith believing.If we are not healed.Then I would say .SEEk HIS face!ASK HIm why not?Then live as you MUST!The point being.LIVING IN THE LIGHT YOU HAVE!WE CAN NOT LIVE IN MORE!But must live up the THE TRUTH ,HE HAS REVEALED TO US!THE VERY BEST WE CAN!HE WILL GUIDE AND PROTECT US!
BUT IF HE DIDN"T ?STILL WE MUST TRUST HIS JUDGEMENT UNTO DEATH.IF WE WANT THAT CROWN ,AND TOO HEAR HIM SAY?WELL DONE MY FAITHFUL CHILD.NOT ALL WILL FOLLOW HIM.MANY FELLOW OTHERS ,JUST AS WEAK AS THEY ARE!MANY WOULD DIE FOR THERE CHURCHES.BUT NOT THERE LORD AND MASTER!HE MUST BE THE MAIN BEING IN OUR LIFES.AND TELLS US HOW TO SERVE HIM,AND HIM ALONE!
Amen brother: God bless all the ones who are willing to expose this deception for the Glory of God. Souls are at stake here, so the lord will bring this to light... ye shall know the truth, and it will set you free
   
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01-15-06, 11:39 PM

I just wanted to tack on my experience working in a prestigious Jesuit Catholic High School. I am very grateful for this post and want to chime in with others - a thank you to Chad, as well as a praise God for your concern for your accountability to the Lord.

I am also in prayer for us as an online community. Online church presents unique challenges - challenges that are still completely answerable with His amazing Word. Let us love one another. Remembering that "Love is never boastful or conceited, it is never rude and never seeks its own advantage, it does not take offence or store up grievances. Love does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but finds its joy in the truth. It is alway ready to make allowances, to trust, to hope, and to endure whatever comes."

If I did not work at a Catholic school, I might feel something along the sentiment that- well, they profess Jesus is God and we all have our differences so - it's not that big of a deal.

It is that big of a deal. It is an eternal life or death, will it be on earth as it is in heaven, deal.

I teach young people who go to mass on Sundays, never read their bibles, never have asked Jesus into their hearts and are convinced they are going to heaven - that is, if they believe in God at all.

They see priests that swear, avoid them, punish them, make light of everything, make light of nothing, talk about sports, talk about who died, and drink a lot. They see a few men that seem happy, but more men that are sad or discontented.

The kids I teach source their worth on how well they do acadmically or athletically.

Young women are blind to the beauty they are in His eyes and seek approval through promiscuity or by making themselves seem less intelligent than the young men around them.

Some kids I teach are so concerned with their grades they have developed very sophisticated ways of cheating that require me to make to create at least 2 other versions of every exam I give.

If they do not cheat and do poorly they sometimes just give up, and figure that they are not smart enough, thus not good enough.

They are not expected to be anything other than what they are.

They are lost.

I have tried to "bloom where I am planted" and go to mass for church since the school encourages me to- and that has led me to a place where I realize that God is not opening that door. I am viewed as a "Bible scholar" if I make a reference to the Word. And that is only by those that respect the Word. Otherwise, I am viewed as a classic jesus freak - like I would be in a secular world, except they are colder and quieter about their disapproval (in contrast to what I have faced before). I suppose that is what they view is polite. I still attend their masses and the Word can speak to me there, but I have given up being ministered to in any other way and this has been a tremendous relief. To view them as believers was - well, very frustrating. It took my strength and not His grace and I became exhausted trying. Once I started shedding those expectations and viewing it as a secular job, He gave me peace.

In other places He has always led me to born again Christians in my community. At my school with 150 faculty, 75 to 80% Catholic, I have found one. Granted I have not had heart to heart talks with every member and a second one may be there, but Christians comfortable with the Bible and talking about Jesus seem sparser there than other places I have worked. More closed. All my support comes from outside my work.

I asked a priest about a verse in Matthew and was told that we can't really know if Jesus actually said that. I asked why and the reply was, well, it's not in Mark. The bible is not an authority at my school.

So then, neither is Christ.

I cannot put into words what it is like to see these precious children, to watch them play ball, to interact with them daily, to hear their troubles, to see them interact with each other, and to hear what it is they hear coming from their church. To see what they see. Then I go off to my church I sing with a whole heart, raise my hands, laugh freely, watch skits, dance, get fed, taught, humored, prayed for, corrected, - just flat out loved on. And I know those kids need that. Not just from me, but church. They need to see church. His body.

It is important for us not quench the abundance of gifts God longs to give to His people.

Please pray for Roman Catholics. And especially for the children.

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01-16-06, 01:26 AM

I knew a catholic lady once who told me,
She had served the church ,allher life.was about 70 or so.And had never heard GOD!I told her to ask HIM into her heartt and mean it.She prayed with me.repented and ask the LORD into her heart .then fasted for 3 days.on the 3rd day!God spoke to her!


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01-16-06, 03:56 AM

I am fully convinced that in my non-catholic church, there are plenty of people who are not saved. Also, there are plenty of people in the RCC who are saved. I have friends who are members of the RCC and have a personal relationship with Jesus. They also use birth control which shows that they don't find the Pope to be infallible. They are at odds with other dogma of the catholics, but enjoy the people and programs there, so they remain. It all comes down to each persons relationship, and you and I don't know that relationship. We only know our own.

That being said, the RCC seems to have more dogma and tradition in the way than most other churches. They do seem to be a little to busy looking all "fancy shmancy" durring thier rituals and traditions to bother humbleing themselves in the site of the Lord and getting outta the way so he can do some work in thier lives.

It is important though to remember that the Lord loves them just as much as any of us. And he will do so forever. It will pain his heart for even one to be cast into the unquenchable fire. Keep them all in prayer as well as anyone who is unsaved.

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