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    It is very simple ! He made it all easy ! all we need do is walk and live thur our Spirit! Then we hear Him perfectly and can serve Him perfectly !
    I found it only takes three days water only reading the bible and praying to get though that 2nd day ! because satan will try to stop us from fasting !

    Isa_58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
    This means Anything that holding us back from hearing and serving Him perfectly will be done away with ! satan saw what happened at the church beginning ! he fears seeing us like they were and he knows we will if we fast !

    Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.

    Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am.

    Our New creature [Our spirit] Only wants to Please him 100% ! We might well see the signs and wonders when we walk more in our Spirit 1 which is the Child of GOD !

    Mar_2:19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
    Mar_2:20 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
    Fasting water only , causes our spirit to gain control over the flesh and hear the LORD WELL !

    Luk_5:35 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
    fasting is very powerful to the child of GOD ! Everything is for all of US ! He is No respecter of persons !It Never personal all by Faith ! Listen He reveals lots to me had many many miracles ! Yet they do NOt make me more than Any ! He wants to be able to Use Each of Us in many wonderful ways if we just Hear him well and Obey his Living words! We DO not follow any But only Him ! It a One on One Relationship Forever more!

    A true LOVe story between our Father god and Us , thur JESUS CHRIST our LORD ! Who is the Only head of his flawless church !

    Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetChaplain View Post
    To me, if the sinful nature were eradicated, instead of restrained, the believer would be sinless, which is a significant conflict with the whole of the New Testament concerning our sin nature.

    I don't not know if the eradication concept is what you're referring to but I like advocating the fact that if the Christian was void of the sin nature, the Spirit wouldn't be at constant odds with it: "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would" (Gal 5:17). Plus I believe 1 John 1:8 is in reference to everyone at any given time; "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
    Hi thankyou for your reply :). No..I don't believe in the eradication concept. I agree with your post in the spiritual message you are conveying however I disagreed with your interpretation of crucifixion. I do believe the purpose of crucifixion is death and not a torturous "hanging on the cross".. the sin nature does not stay on the cross.. the cross kills it. Actually I should be clear, this is not referring to our sin nature or our cross, but to Christ's cross and His sin nature. Christ's cross killed Him, He did not stay hanging on the cross...Christ's cross killed his fallen Adamic sin nature.. but we still have it with us as long as we are still in this body of flesh.

    Actually I believe Paul is talking about being "dead to the law" here.. see Gal 2:19 For I through law have died to law that I might live to God"
    then in verse 20 he says "I am crucified with Christ.. no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me"..

    When Christ died on the cross.. we died with Him. The old "I" died and was resurrected and became the new "I" (not a replacement .. i.e. our old man left and new man came in.. but a grafting.. the Spirit of God joins to our spirit.. we still retain our self, our identity..but now it is no longer us alone but us and God together ). On one hand we are dead and buried, on the other hand we are resurrected. Water baptism symbolises this of course.
    Christ lived in Paul, and Paul lived in Christ.. both Christ and Paul had the same life... 1 Cor 6:17 "But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him".
    "the life I now live in the flesh I live in faith" - he means his spiritual life, not his physical life.
    "the faith of the Son of God" - we live the spiritual life by faith, but not our own faith, the faith the Spirit of Christ gives us.

    So I believe crucifixion is referring to death, because it refers to Christ's death.. and I agree with the rest about the Christian still having the flesh and sin nature existing.. we retain this nature until we die...so we must choose to walk in the Spirit by setting our mind on the Spirit not the flesh.. and we now have the ability to do this.

    In the Garden of Eden there was God, man and satan. In our being there is also God, man and satan. The law of sin and death is in the body...this is satan... The law of (human) good is in the mind...this is man... The law of the Spirit of life is in the spirit, where the Holy Spirit dwells..this is God. Romans 7:23-25 Paul says sin dwells in his body, in his members..but He serves God's law with his mind.
    This is the condition of the Christian - satan in the body/flesh fights against the good mind of man.. God the Spirit fights against satan in the body/flesh. The law of the mind (Rom 7:23) wants to do good but it cannot because the law of sin/satan/flesh in our members is stronger than our mind. Anyone who wants to do good by the mind without depending on the Spirit will fail. So we must turn our mind to the spirit and the Spirit of God will enable us and empower us to do good and overcome satan. As we set our mind on the spirit not the flesh we are renewed and transformed and eventually we have the 'mind of Christ'. This is spiritual growth and when we reach spiritual maturity we will be sinning less and less not because our sin nature does not exist or satan does not try but because our mind is aligned more with God than with satan. Our mind is like a house with many compartments, many rooms.. and over time God moves into each room of the house and drives satan out. This is why a Christian may be strong in some areas of life but not in others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit1st View Post
    It is very simple ! He made it all easy ! all we need do is walk and live thur our Spirit! Then we hear Him perfectly and can serve Him perfectly !
    I agree with this, but I have found putting into practice isn't always quite as easy as saying it.

    Rom 7:15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
    Rom 7:19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-A-C View Post
    I agree with this, but I have found putting into practice isn't always quite as easy as saying it.

    Rom 7:15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
    Rom 7:19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
    I used to think it's difficult also.
    Until a mature Christian pointed it out to me that I've been plugged in to the wrong power source.
    I still rely on my own strength and understanding.

    Now I rely on the supernatural enlightenment and guidance from my one and only true teacher, God's own Holy Spirit in me.
    Which also generated the thirst for the Scriptures that was never before there in my mind. Insatiable thirst for more Scriptures as one by one, the verses and concepts are opened to my dim mind. Allowing me to finally understand what it means to ride on His power and might through the difficulties in my life.

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    Yep As long as we are trying in our own power and understanding ? He cannot help us ! We must give up and mean it and say LORD take over !

    You know once i had been trying to fix a car! I tried i think for three or Four days !i gave up1 i came in the house i said LORD i cannot put that in ! He said ? Go back out and try now1 i said Lord i been trying all these days . I cannot do it ! He said try again ! I went out it went right into place so EASY ! I felt like a real dummy!
    The ppoint was i had to stop trying so He could lead me ! i learned in life to stop trying to do everything in my understanding and power ! Until We Let him take control ! We will not be able to over come all !

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit1st View Post
    Yep As long as we are trying in our own power and understanding ? He cannot help us ! We must give up and mean it and say LORD take over !
    Hi Spirit1st - While I'm in complete agreement with the above, I haves a reservation to share with you concerning the below.

    Quote Originally Posted by spirit1st View Post
    gain control over the flesh
    Your understanding that it's not to be us but Christ--"Not I, but Christ" (Gal 2:20) is the most significant Scriptural doctrine concerning our "walk in the Spirit." In the theme of "Christ taking over," this especially includes dealing with the "old man"; which nature Christ has dealt with in His atonement.

    Concerning our Adamic nature, His atonement, as you know, effected the eradication of the curse of its guilt relating to the believer, but not the eradication of its presence and its entire affect to him (Gal 5:17); which is that our sin nature is restrained on the Cross, allowing only temptation (which we "put off"--Col 3:9), but no longer allowing dominating control (Rom 6:12, 14). The key concerning our guilt is in understanding and remembering that it was Christ's atonement alone that has effected our accountability to it and nothing a believer does can alter this condition in any way (Rom 11:29 NKJV).

    This single teaching is the most difficult and least known, mostly due to the unwillingness to "rest" in the atonement, apart from our seemingly, input.
    The Christian life is Christ Himself living His own life through us; 'no longer I, but Christ.

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    JESUS tells us to walk in the Spirit ,that is our new creature , our spirit !Then we will NOT full fill the Lust of the Flesh ! Our Old man , old Spirit is Gone ! our new spirit only wants to please our LORD! it Hates Sin !

    Rom_6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
    2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
    Eph_4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;


    Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
    Eph_4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

    Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    Gal_5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
    Gal_5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    We live thur our own Spirit 1 Our Spirit is our true eternal being ! Only our Spirit goes to Heaven [New Jerusalem]

    Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son


    Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


    Gal_6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

    Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

    1Co_14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.


    1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


    1Co_15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    We are all once born of God perfect seed ! a quicken spirit like our example and Lord JESUS CHRIST !

    1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


    This is part of what takes place at Salvation !

    Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:


    Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    This is the seed we are born -again of and makes Us part of His family and household ! His kings and priests and holy Children !

    1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


    Our new Spirit CANNOT SIN !

    1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    our flesh can still sin 1 We must thur our spirit keep it under control !

    1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    Only our new Spirit is Born of GOd our father !
    Heb_12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

    Joh_3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    Joh_3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.



    Our Spirit is Now counted as a Son of God Born into his family and household ! Seated in heavenly places !
    He has made Each of us Very high in His kingdom with POWER ! power to raise the dead ,heal the sick ,cast out devils even satan himself ! The demons shake when we are near! they fear us 1 We have god own power within us !

    1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


    listen i am NO more than the very least in His true unseen church and body 1 yet He has used me to raise the dead ,heal the sick .cast out satan himself and much more! It never personal always by faith ! He does not count any of us more than others ! He uses any of us willing to allow Him! We must know the scriptures and stand in faith !
    We can never get high minded because ? He could use a rock or a donkey but He wants to use You and me !


    Joh_3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
    1Co_15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
    1Co_15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    Eph_2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
    Eph_3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

    Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

    Royal Law is the KINGDOM which we be;long too LAW ! LOVE
    1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

    Eph_3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

    Eph_2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    Rev_1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


    We are Now grafted into the new priesthood as jews in the tribe of judah
    Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
    Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Heb_7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
    Rev_5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

    Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


    Mat_10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
    Act_26:8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?

    Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
    Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

    Joh_14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    We must only believe and be led by His Spirit ! the holy ghost waits 24/7 for Us to but ask 1 nothing He will not teach us or reveal about heaven or earth ! He helped me Much in daily life and heavenly trues and spiritual understanding ! He the Best Gift God could give His children ! He the power that was used to create Everything ever made ! And He dwells in YOU ! But it must be for the LORD glory and honor Not US!

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    Quote Originally Posted by james1523 View Post
    No..I don't believe in the eradication concept. I agree with your post in the spiritual message you are conveying however I disagreed with your interpretation of crucifixion. I do believe the purpose of crucifixion is death
    Hi James - Myself, I see the eradication concept conflicting with a multitude of scriptural doctrine (no contention towards you), esp. with Galatians 5:17: "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish."

    To me, this is a description of the Adamic nature ("old man") and the Holy Spirit co-existing (not cohabitation) within the believer and I think it would require quite a fanciful aspiration (not accusing you) for anyone to explain it otherwise.

    There remains also the lack of an explanation for the phrase "so that you do not do the things that you wish;" which implies the ongoing tendency for the believer to do wrong, evincing the presence of the sin nature. I also believe Scripture would be more clear in identifying it's death in like manner as it has concerning our death in Christ, i.e., "For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God" (Col 3:3).

    Blessings to your Family!
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    All our problem are in our Flesh mind ! It the Battle field ! It the Part that NEEDS renewed ! We still have the old sin full thoughts from our old spirit within our flesh mind ! that why we must fill our flesh mind with GOD living words and accept them as perfect truth ! Our minds record Everything we See or hear ! That why we must be careful of the shows we watch on T.V. or music we listen too ! or even the people we hang with !

    We are All in a Real battle ! It every day of our lives !

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit1st View Post
    All our problem are in our Flesh mind ! It the Battle field ! It the Part that NEEDS renewed !
    Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

    The Holy Spirit can't be defiled or corrupted, but the verse below says our Spirit can be defiled, even after we are believers.

    2 Cor 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

    ...and still, most sins require involvement of our flesh. I could lust without doing any physical action.
    But could I steal without my hands? Could I lie without my lips or hands moving? Can I commit adultery without my flesh body? Fornication?

    Matt 26:41 "Keep watching and praying that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."
    Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
    Rom 8:13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
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