Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14
Facebook Tweet Share
shares
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    8
    Gender
    Male

    Does God use the stars to speak to us?

    I have always been told that astrology was wrong, and still believe that; at least the type of astrology that is so popular today. However, was 'the reading of the stars' a good, holy or acceptable thing at one time? I think yes. Has it been twisted by Satan as he has done with so many things? I think yes. I do not believe in horoscopes. I do not believe in looking to the stars for answers to life; answers come from the Bible or his Spirit. But in the defense of astrology, Genesis 1:14 clearly states that stars are used as "signs". In Luke 21:25 Jesus says that the celestial bodies will be used as signs. The 'star of Bethlehem that lead the wise men to Jesus was not evil but of divine origin. If these 'wise men' were not already accustomed to 'reading the stars' for signs, then why didn't flocks of people follow this 'star sign'? Why only these select few? I believe because they were experts in reading the stars and saw the meaning of a particular alignment that 'pointed' to a specific region. This is a mystery to us today because we have lost the knowledge that these men apparently used on a daily basis. The reading of signs in the stars, I believe, has been perverted by Satan, Greek mythology and occultists. In our Christmas stories the star of Bethlehem is presented as a floating bright star that moves ahead of these 3 wise men guiding them to Bethlehem. Again, lets be realistic about this. If there were actually a floating star moving across the sky and then stopping or hovering over Bethlehem, wouldn't this get the attention of CNN and the mass population? Sure it would. But it just couldn't have happened like that. Logic would dictate that what did happen must have been obscure except to these few men trained in this type of knowledge. But this area of knowledge is resisted and even attacked by most Christians because of tradition and known perversions of the study of stars and the order and messages found in them. (Even now, most Christians reading this have hair on the back of their necks raising and red flags and sirens going off in their minds) A good example of this is how even our planets are named after Greek gods. It's like, if I said I want the legalization of hemp to be reinstated and all bans lifted, most citizens, especially Christians, are going to assume that I smoke marijuana. But the truth is marijuana is only a strand of hemp that can be used in evil ways but normal hemp, the kind that Columbus' sails were made from, was not toxic or intoxicating. It was a very strong material similar to cotton used in making very useful materials. Hemp was used in making the first Model T cars. Woven hemp is actually cheaper and stronger than steel. Hemp is not evil, but there are perversions in it's use that are evil. It comes down to this: The Bible says (God said) that stars are to be used as signs. Jesus said it in Luke himself. Then why are we rejecting this knowledge and the study of stars? Has the truth and holy knowledge written in the stars been so totally lost that all we have left is the perversion of Greek mythology and horoscopes? Most Christians believe that when the signs in the heavens take place in the last days it is going to be on CNN. That's not the way it happened at the birth of Christ so why should we expect that it would be any different at His second coming? I don't want to miss these signs in the heavens that are prophesied but before I can even find the knowledge (that is pure and holy and Godly) of reading the stars, I have to filter through tradition, fear and misinformation. Is there any knowledge left on star reading that is still pure? If so who has this knowledge? If I had to guess, I would say there are Jewish Rabbis in Israel that have this knowledge but who knows. I remember years ago someone teaching that there was an astrological sign during the time of Christs birth where the "King's Star" lined up a particular way to announce the birth of a king but I don't know more than that.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    381
    Gender
    Male
    I don't think so. I take the Genesis reference to the stars as signs to mean navigation.

    Astrologers get a uniformly bad press in the Old Testament. See Isaiah 47

    “Keep on, then, with your magic spells
    and with your many sorceries,
    which you have labored at since childhood.
    Perhaps you will succeed,
    perhaps you will cause terror.
    13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out!
    Let your astrologers come forward,
    those stargazers who make predictions month by month,
    let them save you from what is coming upon you.
    14 Surely they are like stubble;
    the fire will burn them up.
    They cannot even save themselves
    from the power of the flame.

    Matthew's references to Astrologers in the nativity story are steeped in irony: Herod, the priests and scribes knew and understood all the prophecies concerning the messiah, yet did not respond. The Magi read the stars (horror!) and responded to this slightest piece of revelation by taking a long journey to offer gifts and to worship. It's a "the first shall be last" kind of a story, and sets the scene for judgement of Jerusalem and for the gospel to the whole gentile world.

    I am not too confident about exactly what Jesus means in Luke 21, but it would be going against the weight of the rest of the Bible to take it as an encouragement to take up astrology. We have a better means of revelation - Jesus Christ himself.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    1,538
    Gender
    Male
    Why would anyone look to the stars for answers when we can talk directly to he one who made all of the stars?

    Gen 1:16; Psa 147:4; Isa 40:26

    The Bible warns against astrology.

    Isa 47:11-15
    *- BAC -*

  4. Likes Chad, dannibear liked this post
  5. #4
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    715
    Gender
    Male
    The star proclaimed the path to place where our Lord was born.
    Do not look to dead things for life. Seek the Spirit while it may yet be found.

  6. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Age
    34
    Posts
    13,177
    Gender
    Male
    The stars were used for navigational purposes back in biblical times.

    As for using stars (astrology) for "answers", this is evil and forbidden in the bible.

    quote from gotquestions.org article

    Astrology is the “interpretation” of an assumed influence the stars (and planets) exert on human destiny. This is a false belief. The royal astrologers of the Babylonian court were put to shame by God’s prophet Daniel (Daniel 1:20) and were powerless to interpret the king’s dream (Daniel 2:27). God specifies astrologers as among those who will be burned as stubble in God’s judgment (Isaiah 47:13-14). Astrology as a form of divination is expressly forbidden in Scripture (Deuteronomy 18:10-14). God forbade the children of Israel to worship or serve the “host of heaven” (Deuteronomy 4:19). Several times in their history, however, Israel fell into that very sin (2 Kings 17:16 is one example). Their worship of the stars brought God’s judgment each time.

  7. Likes Strypes, Barabbas liked this post
  8. #6
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    8
    Gender
    Male
    I completely agree that looking to the stars (created) for answers or guidance rather than seeking God (creator) would be wrong. I believe it falls under the category of "worshiping the created over the creator". Romans 1:25
    I am not condoning this sin nor am I justifying it. I do not want to study astrology in that way or find truth in the stars. I'm not saying any of that. Does the configuration of the stars have some effect on my daily life? I do not believe that at all. That is astrology. But does the position of the Sun and the moon effect life on earth. They absolutely do. That's science.

    But the Bible states that the heavens reveal His glory and that doesn't just mean it's beautiful. I'm saying that God's creation shows his glory and is used to show us things about God. God speaks to us through creation. He reveals Himself through his handiwork. If we ignore that then how much are we missing of what God is saying to us? Through God's creations we see types and shadows of who He is. That is the order of the universe, to bring Him glory, to describe Him, the represent Him in a natural form.

    But your response is exactly what I'm talking about. Astrology and divination have stolen God's glory in the stars. Even though God clearly stated that stars would be used as signs, we close our eyes to it because Satan has twisted it into something evil. Astrology is evil. But the stars are not evil. There is order there. God's glory can be seen there. "All creation speaks of His glory."

    Let's take the sun and the moon for example. Is the sun a god? No. But the Egyptians believed it was. They named this God Ra. The moon is not evil but what can we learn from these two that brings glory to our maker? What does the Bible refer to when it says "the sun will be darkened and the moon turned to blood..." I believe the sun in this passage represents the glory of God and the moon is the church because the moon reflects the light (or glory) of God. So I would deduce that there is coming a time in the last days when the gospel and maybe even religion will be suppressed and the church will come under great persecution (blood).

    Joseph was given a dream where 11 stars bowed down to his star. God used stars to represent men in this reference. Jacob did not banish Joseph for being a diviner. Jacob immediately knew the interpretation of the dream because (apparently) they were accustomed to God speaking to them using types and shadows of his creation; such as the wheat bowing down.

    There is order and design in everything he created including the stars. Jesus is referred to repeatedly as the Morning Star. What is it about the morning star that is a type of Christ? Well, the morning Star (Venus) signifies the coming dawn; light is coming. It 'brings in' or 'ushers in' the dawn. Revelation 22:16 Jesus refers to Himself as the Morning Star. It's not that He is teaching us divination but uses creation as types and symbols for His glory, specifically the glory of Christ. In the Bible stars refer to Christ, Satan, men and angels. "The stars fell from the sky" may either mean fallen angels or spiritual leaders falling or prominent leaders falling from authority.

    What would an eclipse mean? Jesus said in his time on earth that the Jewish religious leaders were imposing rules on the people that they themselves couldn't keep. They raised themselves up, their piety, above the truth and replaced God with ritual. The church standing in front of the God.

    So do you guys the difference in astrology and what I'm talking about?

    I don't know who the wise men were or how they understood this sign or followed the star but here is one viewpoint. In 1600, Johannes Kepler hypothesized that this star was actually a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. Confirmed by modern astrology, this symbolism ties in with the prophecies of that era concerning a Messiah amongst the Jews. The conjunctions occurred at the end of Pisces, ruled by Jupiter. Jupiter is the planet of kings. Saturn is the planet that rules the Jews, thereby giving the king of the Jews. This was a very infrequent triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn and it occurred in the year 7 B.C.

    According to Flavius Josephus, the Jewish historian, the Jewish temple at Jerusalem had the twelve signs of the zodiac inlaid in its floor. Josephus also stated that the twelve loaves of show bread in the temple was a reference to the zodiac. In modern times, Israel issued stamps with the zodiac signs identified with the twelve tribes of Israel and the astrological symbolism of the temple. The Jews placed the tribes in the 12 categories. The Greeks labeled them differently. What if we placed the Disciples in the 12 categories? That would be pretty messed up but the concept is the same. They transposed their own meaning to the 12 measurements of 'star time'. We measure our days and seasons by a star; the sun. It's just how we measure time. Light dictates time. The zodiac also measures time by ages. Ages are referred to in the Bible a few times, even by Jesus. Ages are large increments of time, about 2000 years. The first age included everything up to Noah. The second age included everything up to Jesus (Aries, the Ram or the Lamb) The third age includes everything up to right about now (Pisces, The Fish). At the end of one age, or beginning of another a mighty historical event takes place. We are on the verge of another tremendous event. Math 24:3 Jesus did not rebuke the disciple for his question accusing him of being an astrologer. He simply answered his question. It was understood that signs accompany the turning of an age.

    Sunday means Sun Day. Monday means Moon Day. Thursday means Thor's Day. Saturday is Saturn Day. It doesn't make them wrong, it's pagan labeling. Jesus knew the increment of time called an age. The pagan's have twisted it and abused it and replaced God with it. But if understood properly it can shed light on some of the Bible, such as Jesus' reference to the age. Maybe you didn't know he meant about 2000 years.
    Luke 18:29-30
    1 Cor. 10:11
    Eph. 1:21
    Heb. 9:26
    Rev. 15:3

    Look at what God said to Job: "Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth (the zodiac) in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? (an astrological constellation)" (Job 38:32)

    I know it sounds like I'm supporting the zodiac but I'm not. What I'm saying is, it's all over the Bible. There is something good and holy about it. And there is something twisted about it. I'm saying we don't want to throw out all of it just because the pagans have twisted it into something it should never have been. I'm saying there is a part of what God is saying to us that we are missing if we are afraid to sift through the disinformation and paganism. Here is a great example: The sun. The sun could represent Christ in that we (earth) revolve around it and draw life from it and without it there would be no light and no life. Now the pagans would take that concept and twist into: The sun IS god and we should name it Ra and we should pray to it and worship it. See the difference? There is something beautiful about God's glory in the stars and we are missing it because Satan has perverted it. Say what you will be you cannot argue with the fact that the greatest moment in history (the birth of Christ) God himself used a message in the stars to bring glory to Jesus with the 'wise men'. Is God evil for doing this? Or for discussing it with Job? To completely reject signs in the heavens is to completely reject a part of God. Satan has owned this territory for far too long and I would like to see God take his glory back. The Bible said clearly that the celestial bodies are to be used for SIGNS, appointed times (holidays or festivals), days and years. Not signs like the pagans use it but signs none the less. In my opinion, to limit the stars to only navigational purposes is a little short sighted.

  9. #7
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Atlanta
    Posts
    414
    Gender
    Female
    I find this thread to be very interesting.

    I know a little bit about astronomy and I have seen a blood red moon (sept 1996), but I think there needs to be made clear the distinction between Astronomy and Astrology. One is the study of the heavens, the other is what Chad said in his post above. Astronomy is cool. Astrology is wicked.

    Back in September of 1996 there was a total eclipse of the moon. There was a block party in my neighborhood and several folks had brought out their telescopes etc and as the time approached for the eclipse and we ooo'ed and ahh'ed as the earth's shadow began to cover the moon. But then clouds rolled in and before totality the clouds had blanketed the sky and everybody (but me) left and went inside their homes. I can be quite tenacious and I stayed out. Then for a few moments the clouds broke and there it was, the moon hanging in the sky like a ball. It was dark red and looked awesome! I ran in my house and got my husband and he came out and saw it too.

    It was explained to me later by an astronomer at Fernbank science center that the reason the moon appeared red is because of our dirty air. I live in Atlanta and because of the pollution, the moon wasn't red but only appeared red because of the nastiness in our atmosphere.
    : )

  10. Likes Barabbas liked this post
  11. #8
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Atlanta
    Posts
    414
    Gender
    Female
    If you want to watch an interesting youtube video on the subject, search "Chuck Missler on Signs in the Heavens and The Hebrew Mazzaroth and the Stars" on youtube.
    : )

  12. #9
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    8
    Gender
    Male
    I just watched the Missler video Strypes and found it very interesting. This is exactly what I was talking about. Thankyou!

  13. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    In a house
    Posts
    1,081
    Gender
    Male
    There is a very good book out there you may want to read. Unfortunately you can only find an abridged version unless you are very fortunate (word used loosely) indeed.
    It's called "The Gospel in the Stars" As one of you pointed out...For every good thing God has given us, Satan has a foul counterfeit. I suggest you find the book and read it.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. When the morning stars sang together,
    By shortlady in forum Devotionals
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-03-11, 11:46 AM
  2. Shine Like Stars......
    By stephen in forum Sermons
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-14-10, 08:48 PM
  3. Does God Speak to Us?
    By crossabove in forum Polls
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-16-08, 02:30 AM
  4. God will speak through anything
    By Cody in forum Stories
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 09-12-07, 12:50 AM
  5. Gospel in the stars? Opinions please-
    By Zscripture in forum Bible Study Hall
    Replies: 84
    Last Post: 05-12-05, 05:40 PM

Thread Participants: 7

About us

Welcome to Talk Jesus Forums! If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. You will need to register before you can post. Our Purpose: spread the Good News to the ends of the Earth [Mark 16:15]. We're also here to edify the church [Ephesians 4:11-12]. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. We love you and glad you are here!

 

ask & you shall receive...

Please feel comfortable and ask your questions freely in the appropriate forum. As a community, we will help you find the answers about Jesus / GOD, Bible, general life questions and so forth. We're here to support you and each other.

 

faq forum etiquette surprise me!

 

the evidence topical studies
let's socialize
our facebook friends
Facebook Tweet StumbleUpon Digg Email Print Share
shares