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    The true church

    Just a question of thought,so many different religions,churches,and denominations what are your opinions on the true church
    and where do you find yourself

    I'm not interested in slander or disrespectful remarks remember this is a Christian forum

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    We are living in the last days. Would any one disagree with that? The church of the last days is described in

    Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    What is the testimony of Jesus? The angel tells us

    Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    The above is confirmed here:

    Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Find a church that is prophetic in nature and operates that gift within her, that's keeping God's commandments and have the faith of and faith in Jesus, I don't think you will go far wrong.
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    Kia noho nui te kupu a te Karaiti i roto i a koutou i runga i te matauranga katoa....Coll. 3:16

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    I think you might mislead a newbie Christian by telling them to find a "prophetic" church; like you said, these are the last days. There are a lot of churches that prophesy things that never come to pass; usually things in the future and people who are around to check the future prophecies realise that their "prophecies" are bogus. I think personally that the important thing is a Bible believing church, a church that is free from man-made doctrines(this might prove to be hard in this day and age) and a church that follows the word of God as it is written in the Bible. Not a church that picks and chooses where they want to believe in the bible and disregard everything else; but a Church that accepts the whole bible(Genesis to Revelation) as the infallible word of God.

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    Sorry maybe ishould have stated from the start of this thread that i myself have followed after the Lord Jesus Christ in all aspects of life for several years,so i apologize for any confusion!!!!!

    In the book of Ephesians ch 4 vs 5 (One Lord,one faith,one baptism,) KJV
    My thought was what is the true church and where do you find yourself (your church,your walk)
    The dumbest question is the one you never asked

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    I would hazard a guess that we all belong to a church we have personally discovered to be closest to the Biblical model. We are doing ourselves a misjustice, and puttting ourselves in danger, if we do not search until we find such a church. Settling for a 'this will do' church isn't good enough. I do agree with you Jehovahsdaughter. The whole Biblical model for a NT church ought to be used.
    I simply used those scriptures because they are God's own description of the last days church. So if keeping His commandments and having faith in Jesus are important to Him, then I guess they should be important to us. Going by some of the threads on this forum however, as soon as someone mentions obedience, the objections flow from all quarters.
    Kia noho nui te kupu a te Karaiti i roto i a koutou i runga i te matauranga katoa....Coll. 3:16

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    Disobedience is a sign of rebellion that comes from people who don,t want change,that subject goes all the way back to the days of Jesus
    In hearing they did not hear,in seeing they did not see,this is the very reason Jesus was crucified because the church then did not want change
    The problem is 2 Timothy 3 vs 7 (Ever learning ,and never coming to the knowledge of the truth)
    The dumbest question is the one you never asked

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    The following is something put together not too long ago in a discussion I was having with someone who is Catholic and believes there's the only one true church. In looking at this subject, it became apparent that church in scripture is identified specific to locations, but more importantly to a body of believers at said locations. Even Revelations in the letters to the churches (multiple) deals with the behaviors of the congregations, not one shoe fits all as is the inclination with most denominations. The church I currently attend, never did answer this question when posed to them So through reading and praying the conclusion to me is that there is a Universal Church (My term only.), but not one which has ceilings, walls, or any worldly attributes we look to infuse in it.

    Nothing like the fellowship, and worshiping with other believers! My suggestion, if one is looking for one, is to seek one that is founded, and adheres to the Holy Bible, is willing to answer questions put before them, one that prays, does and not just talks about the Great Commission, in charity, service and exhibits the Love that God has shown us through His Son Jesus, to a lost and dying world.

    I pray that this post may be for the edification and not a hindrance to anyone. In the name of Jesus Christ I ask this Amen.
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    I have to first start defining certain words so we can see if we’re actually using the same Dictionary. It’s easy to use the same words, but as I’m coming to find out is that at times we are using different dictionaries, which might create difficulty in understanding each other. I hope you don’t mind that I tackle it in this fashion. I will attempt in every case to identify scripture or the lack of scriptural reference. Lord willing within the context of what God would have us comprehend we will find His truth.

    Church
    First one must define church as used in scripture. Easy to automatically provide the definition from our current perspective of what a church must be. Many people today understand the church as a building or denomination. This is not a complete biblical understanding of church. The word “church” comes from the Greek word ekklesia which is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.” The root meaning of “church” is not that of a building, but of people. It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend, they usually identify a building. The following verse I used to show Paul addressing "the church" as a body of believers and not a building/denomination. Romans 16:5 says “… greet the church that is in their house.” Paul refers to the church in their house—not a church building, but a body of believers.

    How does one come to this? First one must see who the Creator of the Church is.

    Jesus Christ Co-Creator
    You can see this clearly that the church is the body of Christ, of which He is the head in the following scripture reading.

    Ephesians 1:22-23 says, “And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

    Holy Spirit Co-Creator
    Keep in mind as well that the Holy Spirit was co-creator of the church.

    Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
    Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; (20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; (21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: (22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    Where is this "...habitation of God through the Spirit."?

    Body of Christ
    The phrase “the Body of Christ” is a common New Testament metaphor for the Church (all those who are truly saved).

    Romans 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
    1 Corinthians 10:17 For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
    1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
    Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    Hebrews 13:3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; [and] them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.
    Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
    Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
    Ephesians 4:3-6 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. (4) [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; (5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

    Our need to name things I believe is a Godly direction, that goes all the way back to Genesis. So in this light, for lack of giving the church a specific name or one so general as just "church" which might not be so bad as long as we know the builder and who resides there, I'll add one.

    Universal Church
    The universal church consists of all believers in Christ Jesus.

    1 Corinthians 12:13 “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or - Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”.
    Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
    Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church, [23] Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
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    One consistency I've seen which crosses all denominations, languages, race, what have you, of believers and that is Jesus Christ. That He lived, died on the Cross, and He has Risen! I've seen this to be true, just by mentioning His name. A few years ago I was talking with a neighbors visiting family a couple who did not know English, so not understanding me were naturally distrustful of me. At least until I said "Jesus Christ", pointed up with my finger and tapped my heart. The grins that spread over their faces, and the glow! WOW! Truly One Body! Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia! As I mentioned when I first started, I pray this does not become a hindrance to anyone.
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    Dear God, Your will, nothing more, nothing less, nothing else. Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth speaker View Post
    Just a question of thought,so many different religions,churches,and denominations what are your opinions on the true church
    and where do you find yourself

    I'm not interested in slander or disrespectful remarks remember this is a Christian forum
    Good question and very thought provoking and hopefully it will provoke many to seek the truth by HolySpirit.
    If someone searches long enough they will come to the realization that there are many differences between the christian religious institution with all of it's denominations and the ekklesia that Jesus is building.
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    Religion is an ugly tyrant.

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    The reason for my thoughts!!!! I was reading in the book of Mathew ch 7 vs 13-14 (Enter ye in at the strait gate:for wide is the gate, and broad is
    the way,that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: vs 14 (Because strait is the gate,and narrow is the way, which leadeth
    unto life,and few there find it.)
    So there is only one body (church) that we the people of this world make up,there is one Lord,one faith,one baptism
    one gospel,One body of Christ (church) that we the people of this world make up,yes several locations are mentioned in the bible,being thought
    the same Gospel in conclusion they are all one body

    In the self same sense in the book of Matthew ch 24 vs 34 (Verily I say unto you,This generation shall not pass,till all these things be fulfilled.)
    When Jesus used the word generation,he wasn't talking about their generation he was talking about this generation of mankind in a whole
    After the flood of Noah there began a new generation of people which is all people from then until present day,I pray this make sense to all who read
    The dumbest question is the one you never asked

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    The true church, I believe, is described by Jesus in Jn 4:24 "God is spirit and His worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." True worship is not limited as to place and time; it can occur anywhere at any time.

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