May i add that in over 130 languages around the world their saturday literally means Sabbath.
Spanish- Sabado
Italian-Sabatto so on and so for. Find out and google it. Why would they name a day sabbath all around the world? The seventh day sabbath not sunday

Just thought about it truth you are saying that Christ and Paul and the disciples worshipprd on a wrong sabbath because He went in and worshipped on sabbath day. luke 4:16And he cameto Nazareth, where he had been brought up : and, ashis customwas, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read . Acts 17:2And Paul, as his manner was , went inunto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.

So your saying they were wrong too. Not good at all.

Hello again bgsda, thanks for the explanation.

What precisley is the old covenant according to
the scriptures?

Deuteronomy 9

9 When I went up to the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the

covenant which the Lord had made with you, then I remained on the mountain forty days

and nights; I neither ate bread nor drank water. 10 The Lord gave me the two tablets of

stone written by the finger of God; and on them were all the words which the Lord had

spoken with you at the mountain from the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly. 11

It came about at the end of forty days and nights that the Lord gave me the two tablets of

stone, the tablets of the covenant.

So the ten commandments are the old covenant.

This is not a debatable point bgsda, the scriptures
have spoken.

Hebrews 8:13

13 When He said, “ A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is
becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

It is impossible to deduce any other conclusion other
than the ten commandments are the old covenant.

You asked me;

"Do you see the big difference between the two laws."

No bgsda I do not see any difference to me they all relate
to standards of behavior. Behavior that is announced by
God to Israel. Here is a wonderful example from the law
of Moses.

Exodus 21:16

He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall
surely be put to death.

Kidnapping is not included within the ten commandments.
So you would not see kidnapping as a moral law?
Therefore in your mind you can kidnap?

Next you asked;

Why did Isarael have to keep the Sabbath before it was giving in Mt. Sinai? Ex.16

This is where you seem to be making the fundamental
mistake in your theology. There is very strong difference
between legislation (law, covenant) and a gentle introduction
to a coming law of the sabbath. What was the penalty given
to those who sought the manna on the day of rest in Exodus 16?
Then what was the penalty post Mt Sinai? You see the difference is in
the legislation (old covenant). Besides Israel in Exodus 16 is almost
at Mt Sinai a mute point to say the least.

Please demonstrate from the scriptures prior Exodus
just where the sabbath is mentioned.

It may be advisable for a person to have one days rest
from work. I have found that two is better, I prefer
two days rest from labor. This is common sense bgsda
not really a moral choice. Where you err is that Israel
was commanded to rest on the seventh day. Gentiles
were never commanded to rest on the seventh day.
This law the scriptures testify to was only given to
Israel as a sign of the covenant!!

If you look through the scriptures pre Mt Sinai
you will not find the divine legislation. I must
place importance on this point. You have to
pin point the occurrence of the Law of the Sabbath
not a day of rest. Observance of the sabbath as law
is recorded at Mt Sinai not before.

Ezekiel 20:10-12

10 So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness.
11 And I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live.
12 And also I gave them My Sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Careful bgsda the sabbaths are sign between God and Israel (refugees from Egypt).

Hope you found my answer acceptable bgsda.
If not feel free to point out where I was wrong.
After all life is a learning experience.

Originally Posted by truth speaker

Thanks bgsda but there is one thing you must know about the bible there is only one true bible as just one true church, The King James version is the original Bible translated out of the original tongue,now all other bibles came from one reading the kjv and then putting it in their words under the understanding they received,i myself have compared many versions to the kjv and these so called new translations to find them very deceiving,one very important Scripture that all need to know is Mark 16 vs 18 (They shall up serpents;and if they drink any deadly thing,it shall not hurt them;they shall lay hands on the sick,and they shall recover.) Now in new version bibles this Scripture say to pick up snakes safely which is a lie as shown in Acts ch 28 vs 3 ( And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks,,and laid them on the fire,there came a viper out of the heat,and fastened on his hand.)

John Wycliffe (1330 ?-84), the Roman Catholic priest and scholar who, with the subsequent help of Nicholas of Hereford, made the first translation of the Bible into English in about 1380, over 230 years before the arrival of the King James Bible. Then, in the year 1525, Bible scholar William Tyndale translated his New Testament from the original Greek into English.

Shortly afterward, in 1535, Miles Coverdale produced his complete English Bible (which integrated Tyndale's translation). A year before that, Henry VIII broke relations with Rome and also made a strategic move. To strengthen his position as head of the Church of England, Henry VIII authorized a translation of the Bible into English, known as the Great Bible, that was printed in 1539.

Some years later, in 1560, the Geneva Bible, the first English Bible in easy-to-read type (with chapters divided into verses) was produced in Geneva, Switzerland. In 1576, it was also printed in England. It had maps and marginal notes that helped clarify its text. But some of its readers were irritated by its notes because these spoke against the papacy.

Because the Great Bible failed to gain general acceptance and the Geneva Bible contained contentious footnotes, a revised Bible was decided upon. The Great Bible was chosen as its basis, with the task being entrusted Church of England bishops. In 1568, the Bishops' Bible was published. But because Calvinists took exception to the word "bishops", the Bishops' Bible was not generally accepted in England.

King James I (1566-1625), after ascending the English throne in 1603 (was already king of Scotland since 1567), endorsed the making of fresh Bible translation. He stipulated that it should commend itself to all by omitting any offensive notes or comments. Eventually, 47 scholars in six separate groups across the country, prepared sections of the text. Making use of the work of both William Tyndale and Miles Coverdale, these scholars basically revised the Bishops' Bible. However, they also drew from the Geneva Bible and the Roman Catholic Rheims New Testament of 1582.

Though authorized by King James I, it took some 30 years to supplant the Geneva Bible in the affections of the people. Over the centuries, many have believed that the King James Bible is the only "true" Bible. However, it omits God's name of Jehovah throughout its pages, except for four instances - Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2 and 26:4. The Divine Name of God, Jehovah, is found in the original Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the Old Testament), 6,973 times and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures (commonly called the New Testament).

In 1901 the American Standard Version was published. It was based on the text of the King James Version. Its preface states: “We are not insensible to the justly lauded beauty and vigor of the style of the Authorized [King James] Version.” Yet, the American Standard Version made a significant adjustment.

The preface explains this: “The American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries.” Thus, the American Standard Version of 1901 restored the Divine Name of Jehovah to some 7,000 of its rightful places in the Bible.

Hi bgsda,maybe your missing the point,men numbered yhe days by the sun and the moon cycles they were not led by the Holy Ghost
The question again how can you be so sure that Gods Sabbath falls on Saturday
What if Gods Sabbath falls on mans Tuesday
Im not saying there is no Sabbath im trying to get you to understand that our days and years didn't come from the bible they were man made, men like NASA

So before you can preach and teach on the Sabbath you first need to know Gods Sabbath and not the one man tells us it is

Truth I did pinpoint it. I told you it was established by God in Gen.2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished , and all the host of them.2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made ; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made . 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made , before there was a Jew. Before there was sin also. That is how holy the Sabbath which is in the Ten commandments, is .

God made many covenants. the Ten Commandments was contained in the old covenent yes. But it doen't deny the fact what is said in Heb. 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will putmy laws into their mind, and writethem in their hearts: and I will beto them a God, and they shall beto me a people:. Yes he is talking about US, Spiritual Israel Rom.9. Only diff. now is that the law ,TEN commandments, should be in our minds and written in our hearts.

Truth you deny then you dont deny the fact that we ought to keep the Commandments. You agree that we cant steal, commit adultery, lie, covet,kill , have idols, use His name in vain, honor mother and father and have no other gods right. Come on you have to agree with that at least. ok then why does almost EVERYONE have a problem with the 4th Commandment, the only one that starts with REMEMBER. 2 Things
1. You cant "remember" unless it was known before it was given
2. Either it was number 1 or He knew many will forget in the future.
3. I believe its 1 and 2

Truth in Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Well if you ever studied daniel you will know that its talking about the devil here. Yes he would THINK to change times and laws. Even though millions are deceived and he, (devil), did change the times and laws there are His people that obey(God's true remnant people or church Rev.12:17And the dragon was wrothwith the woman, and went to makewar with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ..

Check out how the devil changed the catholic Bible or catechism whatever they call it.
2nd Commandment "You shall not make any graven image,etc" they took out completely
4th Commandment they only write "keep the sabbath day holy" not explaining why or which day it is Ex.20:8-11, maybe that is why John Paul 2 believed and introduced evolution.
10th Commandment they broke it up into 2 commandments to make up for the 2nd that they took out. Check it out for yourself. Now who can change the only thing in the Bible that God wrote not once but twice with His own fingers and one of three times He spoke where He was audible.

The devil think he is slick because he knows if we break one we break them all James2:10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offendin one point, he is guilty of all. So he just sits back and got the majority of the Christians in his net. What a deceiver. Like i said I showed you everything and it is Biblical. I dont know what points you are trying to make cause in one reply you say we ought to keep the commandments in the other you say its done away with.

Truth the other thing is i showed you from the Bible that Jesus kept THE SABBATH so did the disciples and Paul. What dont you understand that the same Sabbath that Jesus kept and the apostles are the same SABBATH the jews and we keep. Not man made. Like I say again Do you think Christ was confused and worshipped on another sabbath even though He is the one that made time and His Commandments? Truth why, why fight it. There has always been true sabbathkeepers after christs ressurection. It was changed around 313ad in the council of Laodicean I believe but even after that there were sabbathkeepers not only the jews. look up the Waldenses, google it. Did you look up also how there are more than 130 diff. languages that there 7th day or Saturday is called SABBATH in there language. Why woth they call it sabbath? You have enough evidence I believe I answered your questions. God bless.

Hello bgsda, your last post #96 whom was that intended for?

David it was to answer Truth seeker but its for everyone since we are talking about the end time truechurch or people. I am not boasting at all/ Very important topic and Many, many souls are deceived. well God blesss. This is only one of the characteristics there is still other very important ones as well. God bless

Bgsda,agin do you know what Gods Sabbath day falls on
You are being deceived because you have been taught iy was on Saturday,
And this is were many are,

Agin our time cycle comes from the sun and the moon cycles
God did not base his days on the sun and the moon he based them on his work
Do you understand the difference
Gods time based on his work
Our time based on the sun and the moon
Clearly they are not the same
It takes the sun 365.25 days to make one complete circle around the earth,this is where men get their days months and years,we were taught this in grade school,Now God got his days and numbered them from the days he WORKED
Two totally different time references

And the majority rules is null and void when it comes to God,if you want to follow the traditions of men thats fine by me but i will follow after God and all his righteousness ,

Hello all.

I will now answer the initial thread question.

The true church is simply populated by all those who;

Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

That is the Gospel, you can only be saved by the belief in Jesus Christ.

There is no further requirement, that is the Good News.

Heaven is the destination of those that believe in Jesus Christ.

It is never the Gospel plus any addition, justification is through Christ.

Therefore, the true church can only ever be attended by those in Christ.

Beware of those who say you must be a member of this specific denomination.

Beware of those who add or detract from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

False teachers add a commandment or two to the Gospel,
it is Christ plus obedience to this or that.

False teachers say there are additional requirements.

There is no other way to be reconciled than through Jesus Christ.

Our celebration is of Christs work for us.

Our boast is in Jesus Christ and nothing else.

Hold fast to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.