Originally Posted by jari

but only humans are hurt by our sin, God isnt. so that's one reason why it would be different and no saying sorries are needed....

I respectfully disagree.
Consider Matthew 25:41-46. Why are these people punished? because they mistreated the Lord.

Also what The Lord said to Paul in Acts 9:4-6. “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

Lord Jesus knows how it feels to be hurt. And as we proclaim: He is God.

Originally Posted by B-A-C

LOL, well yes this is true. However remember, the sacrifices of the old testament weren't a one time thing.

there was also sacrafices for sins over the whole nation. so not just confessed sins got sacrafices.

(Heb 9:7) But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

Originally Posted by B-A-C

No, if you sinned again, you needed to sacrifice again and confess your sin (the priest would need to know why he is doing the sacrifice) and ask for forgiveness (it was priest talking to God back then, not you directly).

it says in bible sins had to be confessed to priest? can you provide scripture to support if it really says this?

Originally Posted by B-A-C

However it does say that we need to keep confessing and asking for forgiveness, that part didn't change.

where does it say this bac?

Originally Posted by will

I respectfully disagree.
Consider . Why are these people punished? because they mistreated the Lord.

Also what The Lord said to Paul in . “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

Lord Jesus knows how it feels to be hurt. And as we proclaim: He is God.

mighty weak God if He gets hurt over our words or deeds.

He wouldnt be omnipotent if he'd get hurt

and i already posted job 35 where it says God isnt hurt of our sins.

Originally Posted by jari

mighty weak God if He gets hurt over our words or deeds.

He wouldnt be omnipotent if he'd get hurt

and i already posted job 35 where it says God isnt hurt of our sins.

Jari, are you serious?

"Mighty weak GOD"? Where does it say in the Bible that he cannot be omnipotent if He can be hurt? You are not making sense and that is not even logical. That is your own understanding. At this time, I ask you to please stop posting for a few days and think about this discussion.

Will posted perfect Scriptural examples to back up the fact that yes, we do hurt God's feelings. Jesus was persecuted. GOD is hurt by our sinful behavior.

You speak unbiblical views of your own. Its time to stop talking and start listening.

Job 35 does not show that GOD is not hurt by our sin, disobedience towards Him.

Maybe the MHC will help you grasp the real interpretation
http://www.biblestudytools.com/comme...te/job/35.html

Here is a great article:
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/06/16...s-when-we.html

i think you have very selective way of picking the "truth". give you some verses and you ignore them. and you show me verses that don't even hit the point.

Yes Jesus was hurt as man. But does He suffer in heaven when we sin? no does he get weakened by sadness ? no. does He deteriorate in anyway? no.
only humans do.. maybe angels too. But God who is spirit simply isn't effected. He is ever strong...

here's job 35 from NLT translators point of view:

Job 35:6-8
New Living Translation (NLT)
6 If you sin, how does that affect God?
Even if you sin again and again,
what effect will it have on him?
7 If you are good, is this some great gift to him?
What could you possibly give him?
8 No, your sins affect only people like yourself,
and your good deeds also affect only humans.

My son, if thine heart be wise, my heart shall rejoice, even mine.

Yea, my reins shall rejoice, when thy lips speak right things. - Proverbs 23:15-16

Say unto them, As I live, says the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn you, turn you from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?- Ezekiel 33:11

Originally Posted by jari

i think you have very selective way of picking the "truth". give you some verses and you ignore them. and you show me verses that don't even hit the point.

Yes Jesus was hurt as man. But does He suffer in heaven when we sin? no does he get weakened by sadness ? no. does He deteriorate in anyway? no.
only humans do.. maybe angels too. But God who is spirit simply isn't effected. He is ever strong...

Jari, can i cut in here and say something?

Lots of people have posted scripture and so i shall not add to it by repeating those excellent ones already posted. What i will do is try to come from another angle.

God is not lessened when he feels hurt by something we do. Nothing is taken from Him, He is not weakened because of this. This is our view because we only experience God through our own humanity so we imagine that to be that case. God is hurt, therefore he must be weak is simply a non sequitur.

The reason that 'God is hurt therefore he is weakened' does not follow, is because when God has feelings/emotions, they are not in any way, like our own. When i am hurt, it is like i am wounded and yes i would say, weakened, i would agree. God, however, is perfect and whole; He has the ability to have any feelings or emotions in the context of that perfection and wholeness. Something that we cannot fathom, nor are we meant to i think.

It's enough to just accept that it is the case.

I hope that helps a little bit.

Originally Posted by jari

here's job 35 from NLT translators point of view:

Job 35:6-8
New Living Translation (NLT)
6 If you sin, how does that affect God?
Even if you sin again and again,
what effect will it have on him?
7 If you are good, is this some great gift to him?
What could you possibly give him?
8 No, your sins affect only people like yourself,
and your good deeds also affect only humans.

The Word, however, does tell us that we can grieve the Holy Spirit, in Genesis 6:6, "And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was GRIEVED IN HIS HEART." The basic difference between "hurting", and "grieving" is that hurt involves the self-feelings of someone, whereby grief is self-less. God does not experience hurt feelings when we break fellowship with Him, through disobedience and unbelief, but He is grieved, or made sorrowful, on OUR behalf, because we actually hurt ourselves, and He has our best interest at heart.

There is none like God. Nothing to which He can be compared or substituted. There is God and nothing else. God uses the things of the world (which He made and designed according to the same Word by which we ourselves are saved) to give you a frame of reference (much like Christ using parables to explain the arguments of His gospel). But a summary or symbol, by definition, cannot live up to the fullness of its meaning (as if to say reading the summary of the book was the same as reading the entire volume. Either the summary was insufficient to articulate the entire matter of relevance, or the book had nothing to offer beyond what the summary already made manifest). Do you think that God retaliates out of anger? Or pain? Or fear (Job 22:5)? Is God really hot tempered, prideful, jealous, or hurt? God explains the notion of judgment and law in terms according to our own understanding (i.e. because we sinned out of pride, God acts as though out of pride in rendering recompense), according to the precepts of reaping and sowing, an "eye for an eye," and "as you have judged so shall you be judged."

Through the gospel of Christ, God has put a difference between the letter and appearance of sin and the spirit and intent of the law. The commitment required to faithfully partake and abide in the cross of Jesus Christ is the epitome of righteousness, enacted by example by God Himself. Cleanching your fists in defiance to the nature of flesh accomplishes nothing, enduring as long as you are able will inevitably fail by either the carnal nature or frailty of the nature of flesh. Your sins, the entire concept of sin (transgression of the law) is done away in sincerely following Jesus, who is the Word of God that we are to reverence and honor. Repenting of the manifestations of the flesh is nothing, it is the commitment and devotion of your will and faith that matters to God.

In short, God is not wounded by your sin, but rather you will be, unless you repent. If God can portray the message of your destruction lest you should repent by being "wounded" even unto death to show by example the manner of devotion required in following after Him, then so be it. Making the nature that accepts the cross, the same by which He lived it out in the first place!