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    Job's three friends

    Quick question: When we read the words of the 3 friends of Job, do we consider THOSE WORDS as the Word of God, as Godly wisdom? Do we try to apply them in our life? I mean considering they ended up being WRONG.

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    Job 42:5-9 "I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees You. (6) Therefore I abhor myself, And repent in dust and ashes." (7) And so it was, after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has. (8) Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and My servant Job shall pray for you. For I will accept him, lest I deal with you according to your folly; because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has." (9) So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD commanded them; for the LORD had accepted Job.


    Job's 3 freinds did not speak rightly. Listen to Elihu.

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    This is an interesting subject that presents levels of truth. Most of what was quoted to Job was well known scripture of their time. However correct scripture can be used wrongly. They assumed that Job was being rejected by God for some hidden sin that he would not admit to.

    Some things they said were technically right(or at least common belief) at the time but clearly show a misunderstanding of Gods nature and plan for mankind.
    Bildad said:
    Job 25:4 How then can a man be righteous before God? How can one born of woman be pure?
    Jesus explains how:
    Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

    It was always Gods plan to have a pure son born through a woman.In the book of genesis we are told the battle is between the serpent and the woman,and the serpents seed and the woman's seed.

    Bildad also says:
    Job 25:6 how much less man, who is but a maggot--a son of man, who is only a worm!"

    Psalm 22 is traditionally interpreted as a picture of Jesus on the cross.
    Psalm 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.


    The psalmist foresaw that the Messiah would be seen as a worm by men.Jobs friends were obviously part of the problem and not part of the solution.They were a type and shadow of those religious leaders who would have Jesus nailed to the cross.

    They failed to see that God's word is cryptic in nature and they were reading it literally.
    Such as:
    Proverbs 10:30 The righteous will never be shaken, But the wicked will not dwell in the land.


    Well,either that's wrong or it speaks of something we don't readily understand.Because we know on this earth the righteous are many times killed for their beliefs,and the wicked are alive and seem to be prospering.
    From where God is men killing your body is not being destroyed.Those who prosper in and from darkness are lost and not at all prosperous.

    Job admitted he did not understand God's ways but Jobs friends thought they had it all figured out.
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    Friends are for comfort and protection,
    enemies are for learning perfection

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    Thank you :)

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    I believe its all correct what they said but they werent speaking about the correct TOPIC at the moment, to instruct Job.

    See even we would know all the truth of life there's time and season for everything and there was only one thing Job needed to hear.

    They could have quoted whole Bible (aside from book of Job of course) to Job but it still wouldnt have corrected Job's issue.

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    It is interesting to read what Eliphaz the Temanite said in Job chapter 4.

    He starts off by saying from verse 12: "Now a word was brought to me stealthily, And my ear received a whisper of it. 13 "Amid disquieting thoughts from the visions of the night, When deep sleep falls on men, 14 Dread came upon me, and trembling, And made all my bones shake. 15 "Then a spirit passed by my face; The hair of my flesh bristled up. 16 "It stood still, but I could not discern its appearance; A form was before my eyes; There was silence, then I heard a voice:" This was a visitation from a spirit creature, but it was no angel. It was in fact a demon or perhaps Satan himself who had instigated Job's predicament. Notice what lies this demon spirit says about God, which influences what Eliphaz later says to Job. After all, if Eliphaz was inspired by God to say what he says here, why would God later rebuke him in chapter 42:7-9? Verse 17 continues: "Can mankind be just before God? Can a man be pure before his Maker? 18 'He puts no trust even in His servants; And against His angels He charges error. 19 'How much more those who dwell in houses of clay, Whose foundation is in the dust, Who are crushed before the moth! 20 'Between morning and evening they are broken in pieces; Unobserved, they perish forever." (NASB)

    Notice the slanderous statements this demon spirit attributes to God, verse 18 says: "He puts no trust even in His servants; And against His angels He charges error." Then the demon spirit goes on to say, in verses 19, 20, if this is how God treats His angels, then humans go on unobserved and perish forever. It is the kind of spiteful vindictive retort a fallen angel would say to get back at God's judgment against him.

    This is not in the bible by accident, there is an important lesson to be learned from this. If someone comes to you offering you counsel claiming God has told him to give you, do not automatically assume it is from God. Just as Satan and his demons gave false counsel to one of Job's false comforters, he can quite easily do it again. So when someone offers you counsel, claiming it is from God, make sure it is in complete harmony with God's word the bible.

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    Hi Davy

    Quote Originally Posted by Davy View Post
    It is interesting to read what Eliphaz the Temanite said in Job chapter 4.

    He starts off by saying from verse 12: "Now a word was brought to me stealthily, And my ear received a whisper of it. 13 "Amid disquieting thoughts from the visions of the night, When deep sleep falls on men, 14 Dread came upon me, and trembling, And made all my bones shake. 15 "Then a spirit passed by my face; The hair of my flesh bristled up. 16 "It stood still, but I could not discern its appearance; A form was before my eyes; There was silence, then I heard a voice:" This was a visitation from a spirit creature, but it was no angel. It was in fact a demon or perhaps Satan himself who had instigated Job's predicament. Notice what lies this demon spirit says about God, which influences what Eliphaz later says to Job. After all, if Eliphaz was inspired by God to say what he says here, why would God later rebuke him in chapter 42:7-9? Verse 17 continues: "Can mankind be just before God? Can a man be pure before his Maker? 18 'He puts no trust even in His servants; And against His angels He charges error. 19 'How much more those who dwell in houses of clay, Whose foundation is in the dust, Who are crushed before the moth! 20 'Between morning and evening they are broken in pieces; Unobserved, they perish forever." (NASB)

    Notice the slanderous statements this demon spirit attributes to God, verse 18 says: "He puts no trust even in His servants; And against His angels He charges error." Then the demon spirit goes on to say, in verses 19, 20, if this is how God treats His angels, then humans go on unobserved and perish forever. It is the kind of spiteful vindictive retort a fallen angel would say to get back at God's judgment against him.

    This is not in the bible by accident, there is an important lesson to be learned from this. If someone comes to you offering you counsel claiming God has told him to give you, do not automatically assume it is from God. Just as Satan and his demons gave false counsel to one of Job's false comforters, he can quite easily do it again. So when someone offers you counsel, claiming it is from God, make sure it is in complete harmony with God's word the bible.
    Davy did you know demons are infact fallen angels? so there isnt anything slanderous in my opinion to say God finds faults in His (non-fallen) angels. They have free will too.
    I hope your carefully considering before disregarding parts of the bible. I read what they other two said with ernest and believe they speak important truths just not correct things for Job's problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oswinium View Post
    Quick question: When we read the words of the 3 friends of Job, do we consider THOSE WORDS as the Word of God, as Godly wisdom? Do we try to apply them in our life? I mean considering they ended up being WRONG.
    I would not.

    Job is 'Gods Man' in the earth at that time.

    All advice, by 'his adviser's' 'friends's' is based on natural/human thought.

    The lesson of scripture, to keep faith in God. All else is vain.
    Jesus said "I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE"......Without the WAY there is no GOING, without the TRUTH there is no KNOWING without the LIFE there is no LIVING....Thats what Jesus said.

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