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    difference between rapture and the second coming

    what's the difference between rapture and the second coming??

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    Rapture and 2nd coming.

    what's the difference between rapture and the second coming??
    We don't really have a term for a "Second Coming" In the Bible.

    If you believe God keeps his Word... and we escape the Tribulation, then Jesus will Come for the Church before Tribulation.

    Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

    Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


    Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Right before the Flood hits, we are taken... (Rapture- Latin Word for taken suddenly from the Greek Harpazo which means to Snatch.)

    Everything is quite... peaceful..... then Bam!!! destruction..... Tribulation like the earth has never seen before... We are taken and some are left.. to face the destruction..

    Jesus gave a set of instructions to the Jews that keep the Sabbath to flee in the mountains, and wait it out until the End of Tribulation....

    Jesus Instruction to the Jews

    Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    1) Watch for the temple being built
    2) Flee!!! A great tribulation is about to start!!! run for your lives and hope it's not on a Sabbath day breaking your traditions.


    Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    After the Seventh Angelic Trumpet blast which ends the Tribulation, the sun goes dark, and the moon not give light Jesus comes Immediately...... with the Angels to reap the Earth.

    Jesus Instruction to the Church. (Those that call him Lord)

    Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


    1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
    1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

    1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

    There will be no Warning when the Lord comes for us, just like in the days of Noah... After we are taken to be with him, then Sudden destruction comes.

    Mat 24:42
    Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
    Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
    Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    All this is a little too complex for some, so they just lump everything together... The resurrection(s), When Jesus comes and put it at the end of the Tribulation.... They also miss the marriage supper we will be enjoying, but Hey... We can save them some when they finally do arrive.. right??

    Jesus Is Lord.

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    From reading Matt 24 they are same.

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    The same

    From reading Matt 24 they are same.
    I'll ask if we can save you some food since you won't be attending the Marriage supper... Should be in a box just outside your mansion door once you show up..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mike View Post
    We don't really have a term for a "Second Coming" In the Bible.

    If you believe God keeps his Word... and we escape the Tribulation, then Jesus will Come for the Church before Tribulation.

    Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

    Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.


    Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Right before the Flood hits, we are taken... (Rapture- Latin Word for taken suddenly from the Greek Harpazo which means to Snatch.)

    Everything is quite... peaceful..... then Bam!!! destruction..... Tribulation like the earth has never seen before... We are taken and some are left.. to face the destruction..

    Jesus gave a set of instructions to the Jews that keep the Sabbath to flee in the mountains, and wait it out until the End of Tribulation....

    Jesus Instruction to the Jews

    Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    1) Watch for the temple being built
    2) Flee!!! A great tribulation is about to start!!! run for your lives and hope it's not on a Sabbath day breaking your traditions.


    Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    After the Seventh Angelic Trumpet blast which ends the Tribulation, the sun goes dark, and the moon not give light Jesus comes Immediately...... with the Angels to reap the Earth.

    Jesus Instruction to the Church. (Those that call him Lord)

    Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


    1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
    1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

    1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

    There will be no Warning when the Lord comes for us, just like in the days of Noah... After we are taken to be with him, then Sudden destruction comes.

    Mat 24:42
    Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
    Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
    Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    All this is a little too complex for some, so they just lump everything together... The resurrection(s), When Jesus comes and put it at the end of the Tribulation.... They also miss the marriage supper we will be enjoying, but Hey... We can save them some when they finally do arrive.. right??

    Jesus Is Lord.
    thank you brother mike, for the detailed answer, sure helped.

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    Sorry, meant to add a new post and posted here by mistake (sheepish grin)
    Last edited by TouchTestimony; 08-10-11 at 08:53 AM. Reason: meant to add a new post and posted here by mistake

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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchTestimony View Post
    what's the difference between rapture and the second coming??
    *We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died.* 16*For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the Christians who have died* will rise from their graves. 17*Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
    New Living Translation. 1 Th 4:15-17

    To me this suggests that Jesus does not "return to the earth", but we are raised up to the clouds to meet Him.

    Then I saw heaven opened, and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named Faithful and True, for he judges fairly and wages a righteous war. 12*His eyes were like flames of fire, and on his head were many crowns. A name was written on him that no one understood except himself. 13*He wore a robe dipped in blood, and his title was the Word of God. 14*The armies of heaven, dressed in the finest of pure white linen, followed him on white horses. 15*From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a winepress. 16*On his robe at his thigh* was written this title: King of all kings and Lord of all lords.

    This to me suggests the second coming of Jesus; to overcome His final enemies.
    New Living Translation.Re 19:11-16

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    I think both Macca and Bro Mike are pretty close. Whether we meet in the air or get pulled up from the ground doesn't make much difference to me. I just want to go before the tribulation.

    Second coming means different things to different people.

    To many (including myself) the first coming was when Jesus came to the Jews 2000 years ago. The second coming would be the rapture, as Bro Mike and Macca have posted above. The third coming would be after the tribulation when Jesus defeats the beast and Satan and throws Satan in prison for 1000 years. Jesus then reigns for another 1000 years. After this there is another battle, Satan is defeated once and for all and thrown into the Lake of fire.

    To some people, they count the rapture as the first coming, and the millennial reign as the second coming (my question to them would be, what do you call the time Jesus spent on Earth 2000 years ago? The before the 1st coming?)

    Still others don't believe there will be a rapture before the tribulation. So the 1st coming was when Jesus came 2000 years ago. The 2nd coming will be at the millennial reign. There are so many verses about the rapture I'm not sure how they get around them all, but...

    Finally there are those like Macca who don't count the rapture as a time Jesus "came to earth" but rather gathers the saints to meet him in the clouds. There are scriptures to support this depending on how you interpret them. So the millennial reign would be the second coming in this scenario as well.
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    This thread..........

    Thank you B-A-C for the awesome input.

    This thread somehow came back to life seeing it start in Aug of last year. This same discussion can also be found in this thread.

    trying to understand mat 24

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    Rapture = Second Coming

    And there is no Third coming in the Bible. There is only the coming of the Lord.

    Quote Originally Posted by jari View Post
    From reading Matt 24 they are same.
    Yes.

    Not sure how this thread fits in 'Ethics' but...

    Just as there is no "Second" coming in the Bible, neither do we have "Rapture." This word originates from the Latin Vulgate translation.

    The Biblical term is 'parousia' [coming] and this is the term used in 1 Thess. 4 and in Mat 24:30. Paul is writing about the same event in 1 Cor. 15:51 where he says that 'we shall all not sleep but all be changed in the twinkling of an eye at the LAST trumpet.'

    In 1 Thess., Paul is addressing the concern that maybe those who have already died are now at a disadvantage. But Paul assures them that when the Lord comes, there is no disadvantage.

    To invent the 'secret Rapture' out of this takes a lot of fancy footwork, and, changing metaphors, it does not hold water. It is a 19th Century invention.

    The picture in Thess. of going to meet the Lord in the clouds is the figure of the citizens of a city going out to welcome a coming dignitary or conqueror to escort him back to the city.

    See F.F. Bruce's commentary.
    Last edited by Michael Snow; 02-20-12 at 11:13 AM.

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