sence 1798 there has been 7 {pope kings}

pope pius 12 times = 78
pope leo 13 times = 91
pope gregory 16 times = 136
pope benedict 15 times = 105
pope john 21 times = 231
pope paul 6 times =21
pope john paul 1
+
pope john paul 2 = 3 = 665
665
pope benedict who will change his name to pope ? mark
because he has said he is going to change his name to a new one
adding 1 to 665=666
and when benedict xvi
changes his name to the new one!
you get 666 and the 8th king

add in this order 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12=78 for pius
and do this for each pope and the count will come to 665 pope

let him who has wisdom count the number of his name!!! all of the popes above were emperors/kings

In order to successfully grasp the "eighth king" of Revelation 17:11, it has to be understood who the "seven kings" are at Revelation 17:9, 10, whereby an angel tells the apostle John: "Here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: The seven heads means seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while."

Thus, there are "seven kings" or "seven mountains" that are seen, with ' five having fallen.' at the time John was seeing this vision. Who were these "five kings" that had "fallen", crumbled into non-existence ? Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece. Who was the sixth "king" that was present during the time of John ? Rome. But who is the "one that has not yet arrived" in 96 C.E., when the apostle John penned Revelation ?

It need also be recognized that the book of Revelation is prophetic for the "Lord's day", for John wrote that "by inspiration I came to be in the Lord's day."(Rev 1:10) Thus, the setting for Revelation is from the "Lord's day" forward, with the exception of Revelation chapters 2 and 3, these being addressed to the "seven congregations".(Rev 1:20) The apostle Paul pointed this "day" as future, for he spoke to the Corinthians as being made "firm to the end, that you may be open to no accusation in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."(1 Cor 1:8) This "day of our Lord Jesus Christ" is tied in with his (invisible) "presence", for in concluding his letter to the Thessalonians, Paul wrote: "May....you be preserved in a blameless manner at the (invisible) presence of our Lord Jesus Christ."(1 Thess 5:23)

The apostle Peter directly ties Jesus "promised presence" with the "last days", saying: "For you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.” (2 Pet 3:3, 4)

We are now living during the "last days", Jesus "promised (invisible) presence". Hence, the "seventh king" was now set to "arrive". Who has taken center stage as the dominant power in our time period ? The United States. However, this "seventh king" is not a single world power, but a dual world power, for it has strong ties with Britain. Hence, the "seventh king" is the Anglo-American dual world power.(Rev 13:11)

Who then is the "eighth king" that "springs from the seven" ? Revelation 17:11 calls the "eighth king" the "wild beast that was but is not ....and it goes off into destruction." Revelation 17:8 gives details, saying that "the wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction." What political organization has arisen due to the efforts of the "seven kings" ?

In 1918, following World War I, there was a concerted drive to build a world peace organization. As early as December 18, 1918, the body now known as the National Council of the Churches of Christ in America adopted a declaration that declared in part: “Such a League is not a mere political expedient; it is rather the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth. . . . The Church can give a spirit of good-will, without which no League of Nations can endure. . . . The League of Nations is rooted in the Gospel. Like the Gospel, its objective is ‘peace on earth, good-will toward men.’”

On January 2, 1919, the San Francisco Chronicle carried the front-page headline: “Pope Pleads for Adoption of Wilson’s League of Nations.” On October 16, 1919, a petition signed by 14,450 clergymen of leading denominations was presented to the U.S. Senate, urging that body “to ratify the Paris peace treaty embodying the league of nations covenant.” Though the U.S. Senate failed to ratify the treaty, Christendom’s clergy continued to campaign for the League. And how was the League inaugurated? A news dispatch from Switzerland, dated November 15, 1920, read: “Opening of the first assembly of the League of Nations was announced at eleven o’clock this morning by the ringing of all the church bells in Geneva.”

The League of Nations sprang from the "seven kings", giving it authority to function. However, upon the beginning of World War II on September 1, 1939, it collapsed, going into the "abyss", a state of death-like inactivity. During the course of the war, it became as "not". In time though, it ' ascended out of the abyss, ' not as the League of Nations but reactivated now as the United Nations.

Delegates from 50 nations signed the United Nations Charter in San Francisco on June 26, 1945. Its preamble began: “We the peoples of the United Nations determined to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind . . . ” Hence, the "eighth king" is now the United Nations, that "goes off into destruction" during the battle of Armageddon.(Rev 16:14, 16)

Jaareshiah,I've just rechecked Revelations 17:8-11. The popular theory is that the "5th",if he/it is either a king,empire or nation,will return to become the 8th.I wouldn't say my English is terrible but I still don't get how the passage means the 5th will return to be the 8th.Could you explain how all that "who was and will be,etc" hints to meaning the 5th will return?

I'm not sure if you are one of those who agree about there being a 5th who will return to be the 8th,but if you do believe that,I take it that you believe the 8th king the UN is a revival of the 5th king that is Greece?Please explain further.I'm interested to know more.

Originally Posted by thewings

Jaareshiah,I've just rechecked Revelations 17:8-11. The popular theory is that the "5th",if he/it is either a king,empire or nation,will return to become the 8th.I wouldn't say my English is terrible but I still don't get how the passage means the 5th will return to be the 8th.Could you explain how all that "who was and will be,etc" hints to meaning the 5th will return?

I'm not sure if you are one of those who agree about there being a 5th who will return to be the 8th,but if you do believe that,I take it that you believe the 8th king the UN is a revival of the 5th king that is Greece?Please explain further.I'm interested to know more.

revelations I alway! read the first page ! revelations started at the time john wrote it how every long ago that has been!

1	The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2	Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3	Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: {{for the time is at hand}} and the{ vatican} is its own nation and has been sence 1798! but not historicaly! it has hid its power for years and its borders are 0.17 square miles . the 5th 6th 7th kings have all ready past!!!! the usa and all the nations make there money deals in rome. and have been doing it for a long time... the vatican is running the show right now ! and by the way the vatican sits on seven hills!!!!!!! for John wrote that "by spirit I came to be in the Lord's day! last trumph! john was looking from the lords day backwards!! The Vatican City became an independent city-state (country) in February 11, 1929 after gaining independence from Italy. Between 1861 and 1929, the Vatican City refused to recognize the Italian King's reign over the city, and the question of whether the{{ Pope was in charge! or the King!}} was referred to as the Roman Question. This was eventually resolved upon independence, and the Roman Catholic Church/ vatican leads the city-state. Revelation 17:11, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece rome!! the next kingdom is the holy roman empire! all these have one thing in common satin dont leave out germany! all the countrys in the wourld are forincating with the woman/ vatican/pope this is the beast if people cant see this thay are blind! the pope says you can not get to heaven unless you go thrue him!!! look below!! The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth." { Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958). he said this! and all popes said the same thing ! above is a quote! he says you can only get to god threw him!!! the pope is not the medeator for god !!! jesus is!!!

Originally Posted by thewings

Jaareshiah,I've just rechecked Revelations 17:8-11. The popular theory is that the "5th",if he/it is either a king,empire or nation,will return to become the 8th.I wouldn't say my English is terrible but I still don't get how the passage means the 5th will return to be the 8th.Could you explain how all that "who was and will be,etc" hints to meaning the 5th will return?

I'm not sure if you are one of those who agree about there being a 5th who will return to be the 8th,but if you do believe that,I take it that you believe the 8th king the UN is a revival of the 5th king that is Greece?Please explain further.I'm interested to know more.

greece / rome and it is not the 5th it is the 8th who is of the 7th

Originally Posted by thewings

Jaareshiah,I've just rechecked Revelations 17:8-11. The popular theory is that the "5th",if he/it is either a king,empire or nation,will return to become the 8th.I wouldn't say my English is terrible but I still don't get how the passage means the 5th will return to be the 8th.Could you explain how all that "who was and will be,etc" hints to meaning the 5th will return?

I'm not sure if you are one of those who agree about there being a 5th who will return to be the 8th,but if you do believe that,I take it that you believe the 8th king the UN is a revival of the 5th king that is Greece?Please explain further.I'm interested to know more.

The "5th king" was Greece, for Alexander the Great defeated Darius III of Medo-Persia, in 331 B.C.E., at Gaugamela, near ancient Nineveh, thus felling the Medo-Persian Empire. The "popular theory" that the 5th king "will return to become the 8th" has no Biblical basis, for Alexander the Great died of malaria, on June 13, 323 B.C.E, after ruling only 12 years. His kingdom then became divided among four of his generals, Cassander, Lysimachus, Seleucus I Nicator, and Ptolemy Lagus, which were eventually absorbed by the Roman Empire in 30 B.C.E.

Revelation 17:11 says clearly that the "eighth king...springs from the seven (kings)", not from the "5th king". It is amazing that someone can come up with this "theory" (like the "theory of evolution"), of the "5th king" that has no basis, but just an imaginery dream. This "eighth king" is also seen at Revelation 13:15, having been given "breath" (or life, compare Gen. 2:7) as "the image of the wild beast" by the "wild beast" that had "two horns like a lamb."(Rev 13:11) The United Nations is like an "image" of the world's governments, like these looking in a mirror of themselves, that was given "breath" by the Anglo-American dual world power in 1920 (the "wild beast" with "two horns like a lamb"), causing it to come to life, originally as the League of Nations and later ' ascending out of the abyss' (state of inactivity) as the United Nations.

This "eighth king" is also seen as being ridden on by the "harlot", called Babylon the Great at Revelation 17:3, 7. This "harlot", picturing all false religion as one empire world-wide, has been manipulating the nations by means of this "eighth king" (also called the "scarlet-colored wild beast" at Rev 17:3), committing both physical and spiritual "fornication" with the "kings of the earth"(Rev 17:2), causing them to "drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication."(Rev 14:8, see also verse 9)

Having "seven heads and the ten horns", but not with "diadems"(crowns) as the "wild beast of Revelation 13:1, 2, the United Nations (and formerly the League of Nations) did not have the governmental authority as the nations have within themselves (the League of Nations and later the United Nations, lacked it's own armed force and so depended on the Great Powers to enforce it's resolutions), yet "those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly", placing their hope in this man-made "image", that basically speaks in many ways for the world's governments. Those who do so, "their names have not been written upon the scroll of life, from the founding of the world."(Rev 17:8; see also Ex 32:32)

At Daniel 11:31, it speaks of the Anglo-American dual world power (called the "king of the south"), along with the nations compiling the "king of the north" as " they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing (originally the League of Nations founded as a result of the treaty of Versailles) that is causing desolation." Thus, at the direction of US and Britain, along with other nations in 1919-1920, these "put in place" the "image of the wild beast" that is repugnant to God, a "disgusting thing" in his sight. Why ?

One reason is that the churches have exonerated this political organization as "the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth, " as substituting for God's kingdom in order to bring global peace, for as mentioned earlier, as early as December 18, 1918, the body now known as the National Council of the Churches of Christ in America adopted a declaration that declared in part: “Such a League is not a mere political expedient; it is rather the political expression of the Kingdom of God on earth. . . . The Church can give a spirit of good-will, without which no League of Nations can endure. . . . The League of Nations is rooted in the Gospel. Like the Gospel, its objective is ‘peace on earth, good-will toward men.’”

The U.S. Senate received an avalanche of mail from religious groups urging it to ratify the Covenant of the League of Nations. The general body of Baptists, Congregationalists, and Presbyterians in Britain lauded it as “the only available instrument for attaining [peace on earth].”

This "eighth king" will be used by God to remove the "harlot", the world empire of false religion, from the face of the earth. Revelation 17:16 says that "the ten horns that you (John) saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshly parts and will completely burn her with fire."

This destruction of false religion will not occur as a result of their own initiative, but rather Revelation 17:17 says that "God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the (scarlet-colored) wild beast, until the words of God have been accomplished." Thus, through the United Nations, will the end of false religion occur, with the nations at this time giving it real "bite" so that God's words concerning this "harlot" has been fulfilled.