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What is God Trying to Tell Us? - 12-23-09, 12:15 AM

Hebrews 12:16-17, "Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."


Is there a message in this verse to us as Christians? Why could Esau find no place of repentance? Is there a point where God will not forgive us?
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12-23-09, 02:15 AM

I think selling your birthright would be an act of apostacy and would deny the work of the Holy Spirit.
   
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12-23-09, 07:32 AM

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I think selling your birthright would be an act of apostacy and would deny the work of the Holy Spirit.
Good answer sis!
Esau lived a life of serving his base needs and cared little for anything else. His heart, his life was all about pleasing himself and he is a type and shadow of the flesh which is always in opposition to the Holy Spirit. This is the spirit of an anti-Christ, the child of man's effort brought into being presumptuously when Abram tried to fulfill God's promise in his own strength. What is born of flesh will always be flesh and can never please God.

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.


Psa 62:5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him.
   
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12-23-09, 01:03 PM

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Hebrews 12:16-17, "Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

Is there a message in this verse to us as Christians? Is there a point where God will not forgive us?
Hi HoneyBare,

Hope things are well with you and Norm and that beautiful child that you care so much for!

Is there a message in this verse to us as Christians?
Yes, stay the course, endure your sufferings ad avoid Apostacy at any level!
Why could Esau find no place of repentance?
He was from the Old Testatment, Old Law, and dead to His sin of Apostacy and therefore with out repentance.
Is there a point where God will not forgive us?[/QUOTE]
Since you live under the covenant of Grace, you should know that your forgiveness was complete at the cross and no Old Testament incident has anything to do with your forgiveness or salvation.


" I'll see you here or I will see you up there or I will see you in the air"!.....Beam me up , Lord!
   
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12-23-09, 10:30 PM

Thanx for all your answers. It helped.
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12-25-09, 09:11 AM

Romans 9:13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

What was it about Esau that caused the Lord to express such strong feelings about him? And why would Jacob, with all the personality problems that he demonstrated throughout his life, draw the love of God? It was a particular attitude of heart that each one had and that attitude was the motivation of their whole lives.

Genesis 25:27 When the boys grew up, Esau became a skillful hunter, a man of the field, but Jacob was a peaceful man, living in tents.

In the New Testament, Jesus speaks of the "field" as a picture of the world (Matthew 13:24-30,36-43; John 4:34-38). The statement that declared Esau a "man of the field" not only described his occupation but also was a picture of his heart-attitude. Esau was a man who loved the things of the world - who lived for the pleasures that life could give him now.

Jacob, with Abraham and Isaac, had one main focus in life - he had his eyes on an eternal dwelling place. He believed God's promise to Abraham, his grandfather, that he would be the father of many nations (Genesis 12:2-3; 17:4-6,16; 18:18; 22:17-18). This promise was ultimately to be fulfilled in Christ and the New Creation that came forth from Him - for it was the New Creation people, born through Christ's atoning work on the Cross and in His Resurrection, that make up the "City" of God (see Hebrews 12:22-24; 13:14; Galatians 3:7-9,13-19,29; Revelation 21:2).

The key to Jacob's life was that "living in tents" represented a transient life. His whole attitude was that he was a foreigner and pilgrim in the world (Hebrews 11:13-16). With all his faults and failings, he had his eyes on one major goal - God's eternal purpose.

When Esau sold his birthright to Jacob to satisfy his temporary physical hunger, he was virtually saying that he put no value on the purposes of God.

"See to it that no one is sexually immoral or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son" Hebrews 12:16.

In Genesis 25:29-34 we see the birthright was the method that God had designed for the inheritance to be passed from one generation to another.

But far more than this, the firstborn received the right to fulfil in his generation the next step in God's continuing plan and purpose (Genesis 17:7). When Esau sold his birthright to Jacob to satisfy his temporary physical hunger, he was virtually saying that he put no value on the purposes of God.

"When Esau heard his father's words, he burst out with a loud and bitter cry and said to his father, 'Bless me - me too, my father!'...Isn't he rightly named Jacob? He has deceived me these two times: He took my birthright and now he's taken my blessing!'" Genesis 27:34,36

Esau thought the blessing was separate from the birthright. When he sold the birthright to Jacob, he knew he was selling him the right to be part of God's purpose, but he had no intention of selling him the material wealth and blessing of his inheritance. He did not realize that the blessing was the result of the birthright. Note that Esau "burst out with a loud and bitter cry (verse 34) when he heard he had lost the blessing, but not when he sold the birthright.

The Scripture exhorts us to learn from the lives of those recorded in the Bible (1 Corinthians 10:6-11). Christians who are only desiring blessings from God, like Esau, often become self-centred. But if God's plan is the centre of our lives, as with Jacob, then the blessings will come automatically (Matthew 6:33,19-34; 1 John 2:15).
   
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