1.)I've been having this question in mind alot.. Are women permitted to be pastors at a church? I say to myself.. God can use anyone.. I mean, he made rocks talk, didn't he? But then again, the bible says in 1 Timothy that women are not permitted to teach men because of their fall through Eve. I read in a guide that when Paul said this, the women during his time were very rowdy and therefore he had to instruct them to be silent.. What are you all opinion on this topic?? I'm researching this on my own, but I would like to know you alls opinion..

2.) Also, what do you think about speaking in tongues? Should it be in order as mentioned in 1 Corinithians or...? The bible mentions an interpreter.. I'm really confused when it comes to this and I'm just praying to God for direction...

Any help at all will be a great aid..

May God bless you!

-Arlyn

In 1 Cor 14:34, Paul tells the Corinthian church that women should be silent in church. I believe that he posted that rule in order to keep things organized. It wouldn't do for arguments to be breaking out between husbands and wives while services were going on, and that, I suspect, is what was happening in the churches in Asia Minor.

SLE

Teach me to do Thy will Psalm 143:10

Dear Arlyn

I am really pleased that you have asked these questions as I too would be really keen to hear peoples understanding of these scriptures.

(I have also recently been challenged about being a woman posting responses on a Christian forum... I was told it was usurping the authority of a man and no different to a woman speaking in a church...)

Up until about 1 month ago I have always been in the brethren. Women are forbidden to speak in any of the meetings... and it would be classed as wilful disobedience and the woman would be asked to be quiet or leave.

This is because of their interpretation of the verses in 1 Corinthians 14 and I Timothy 2:11. Women should always be in subjection to men.

The possibility that these verses refer to 'rowdy' 'chatty' women , would be rejected.....due to the Greek word lalein found in 1 Corinthians 14 which is translated 'speak' rather than 'speaking noisily'.

Having just moved to a church where women are involved in the services....I feel a mixture of spiritual liberation and nervous discomfort.

I look forward to hearing responses.

God bless you

Julia

Let everything that hath breath praise the Lord Psalm 150:6

Paul spoke by the Holy Spirit, not of his own accord, and it is the wise and prudent whom the Truth is hid from, and are they who would have the scriptures modified.
As a rule, we must needs learn to not think above that which is written.
For if we were to apply philosophical logic to scripture as do the wise and prudent, then by their mind-set, we may take anything, for example, that Paul said, and modify it to suit what we will; for we may say that, when Paul said: "For by grace are ye saved through faith"; we then may say that, Paul was only talking about those people at that particular time, or again, when Paul said that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, he was referring only to the people of Laodicea(where I Timothy was written); and on and on can one modify scriptures.
Another point concerning speaking in tongues, we must consider that, if speaking in tongues no longer exists as some wise and prudent proclaim, then neither can the rest of the manifistations of the Spirit exist, including faith, healing, words of knowledge, and wisdom, nor miracles, neither prophecy, nor discerning of spirits. Now we know very well this cannot be, that faith no longer exists, but we also cannot pick and choose what we don´t want to exist anymore either.
We are born again by the Word of God, and the Word´s written in this book(ie: the Bible) are God´s Word´s spoken by holy men as they were moved by the Holy Ghost, and are closed to any private interpretation, and we are to be guided by the Spirit of Truth, who shall teach us all things, and who will guide us into all Truth, and we need not that any man teaches us.

Greetings Arlyn,

May I present to you, your own question and take it from there?

1.)I've been having this question in mind alot.. Are women permitted to be pastors at a church? I say to myself.. God can use anyone.. I mean, he made rocks talk, didn't he? But then again, the bible says in 1 Timothy that women are not permitted to teach men because of their fall through Eve. I read in a guide that when Paul said this, the women during his time were very rowdy and therefore he had to instruct them to be silent.. What are you all opinion on this topic??

• Are women permitted to be pastors at a church?
  
• God can use anyone.. I mean, he made rocks talk, didn't he?
  
• What are you all opinion on this topic??

I will work backwards ..... I can not speak for everyone here. But we can look at your question and we can look at Scripture

Now as far as rocks talking, I don't think so. Look in Luke 19, verses 37-40

And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

You might find also that He was referring to the stones that were set in place as a testimony to the LORD by the men of old, that would declare God's glory and truth.... But either way, the Lord surely could make rocks talk...

Interesting that Jesus renamed Simon, Peter ,which means Rock.

Are women permitted to be pastors? I know what you mean, but it is a strange question... no offence at all directed at you, but rather.. let's look at it. To begin with, you mix talking, teaching and pastor all in the same bag. You say you are researching this on my own,. Please have a look at the Scriptures.

Talking is talking.
Teaching is teaching.
'Being a' pastor is 'being a' pastor.

mmmmm.

Do you mean, "Are women allowed to talk in Church"?

If so, when does Church start and stop? The Scripture tells us we become members of the Church, the Body of Christ, when we believe.
So, are women to remain silent at all times, or do we switch Church on and off at man's decision?

Are women to teach? This is God's business, for who He choses is who He chooses.
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. 1Cointhians 12:27-31

Also, as far as being teachers is concerned,
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2Timothy 4:3-4

Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
1Timothy 1:5-6

and....
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Titus 2:1-5


O for more women to teach these things!

And we have a word of caution to all who might teach .... My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. James 3:1

Sister, Yesterday I was looking to the clouds... I saw what appeared to be a figure, two strong arms half lifted, a solid torso amd strong neck..... and this is what was given me to share....
It resembled what we call the church.... but something was missing.... the head, even Christ Jesus the Lord.

If we would but only come back under Him as our head, we would have no need for such questions, and all the mixed up doctrines of man to sift through. There is one body...
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Ephesians 4:4-6 .... in fact, read all of Ephesians 4.

and,
Colossians 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence.

So, what shall we do? Continue to debate the things of God while walking around without a head? (This is in no way suggesting that you personally are being addressed, but I am merely sharing with you something that is of far more importance to us that the do's and don'ts of doctrine. Although we have need of sound doctrine, it is in vain if we do not first have Christ, not only as declared as head of the Church, but in our everyday living, where He is the head of our own personal lives.... if not, then the whole church thing will just be a show....... BUT, whith Christ Jesus the Lord as Head, all else will be in order.)

Now having looked at the Church, do we need to go into 'being a' pastor?

What is a Pastor?

I would look at the Scriptures on that first, before worrying about male or female roles. What is a pastor? So then, how does one be one? And who says so? Remember a pastor is a pastor.. not a teacher, nor talker... but what is a pastor? (God's version of one, that is)

Really, if you are serious about researching (or is that studying?) then even the topic of tongues is something you will find in the Scriptures ... just don't allow your ears to get itchy in your searching!


Bless you ....><>

Br. Bear

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Women Pastors are a fact today in many churches, A of G included. The Acts of the Apostles tells of Aquilla and Pricilla who were a blessing. Later it is changed to Pricilla and Aquilla. This suggest's the lady assumed the leading role.......not pastoral, I agree but indicating that a lady had such an ability and was recognised

I would agree what my brother has stated here.

We adhere to what the scripture says in the context you mention. It is a guideline and as such we take note. But it is only a guideline and not dogma. "The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet" and if God is clearly present "let the other judge" the guideline may be over-run. "That all may be done decently and in order"

All mey speak in tongues...interpret....prophesy...for the edifying of the church...............as the passage teaches


as such we note. However the letter can kill, as the scripture

Who's permission are you seeking?

Brothers and Sisters!! God was able to grant me wisdom on Sunday night!! I now understand about the different types of tongues.

1) the language
2) the angelic tongues.

When it comes to speaking in the language, we need and interpreter.. God is so wonderful. All of a sudden, he can just make a man speak someone else's language so that they will understand something He wants to bring across.. this is the type of tongues they speak of in Acts. The language. With the angelic tongues, there are no interpreters but God. Not even the devil understands this language!!! Nevertheless, we are told in the bible that when we are speaking in tongues (meaning angelic), we have to speak silently because it is only for our own edification- only between us and God. This is what many people fail to do now-a-days..

I'm just so thankful to God for shedding light on this topic. If I didn't explain myself clearly, feel free to pm me or post a reply..

So what do you think the spiritual gift of interpretation of tongues is for?

Here you are refering to the Apostles speaking in tongues to the Passover visitors from other lands (see Acts 2:5-7). The two other incidents in Acts involving tongues (10:46 and 19:6) probably involved prayer languages-the "angelic languages".

SLE