Hello, I have cute checks depicting lion and lambs, and wolf and lambs. I remembered when I saw them that there was a scripture about it and finally got around to looking it up. It's Isaiah 65. It really is a beautiful chapter, describing what I am assuming to be the new heaven and new earth. The question comes with verse 20...how can there be death at all if according to Revelation death is destroyed?? BTW I am slowly learning to not get so ruffled when faced with something I really, really don't understand. Every time I have a question and let myself ask and search, my faith is strengthened by God's grace. Thanks in advance for any help! <><

LOL, i love chapter 65 too, talking about the new heaven and new earth = Holy city.

OK, to answer your question, from what i gather from your question.

Death cometh from satan and from our first fathers adam and eve, we are the offspring from them, so we have to deal with whatever they did, untill the end of "This" World. So death started with them and it continues with us, and i am guessing during or after armageddon, The Last Enemy Which is Death will be destoryed.

Revelation is later stuff, its not before stuff, its later stuff. So in the beginning Death cometh and in the end , Death goeth.

Nevertheless, after the worse, This Heaven and This earth will passed away and GOD will create a New Heaven and a New Earth , for all those who are righteous. This is also call the Holy City or The Governement which will be located in the New Earth.

Hope this helps, holla back alright.

OK let me preface this by saying I am tired which doesn't help the noggin. I think I am more confused now lol. So are you saying that Isaiah 65 and Isaiah 11 for that matter are NOT talking about "heaven"?

Isaiah chapter 11? huh What verse? How come you didnt mention this before? Ok, now i am confused.

Isaiah Chapter 65 verses 17, 18, 19 is talking about the New Heaven and New Earth.

Dont know what you talking about in Isaiah 11????????

Oh I'm sorry - Isaiah 11 is describing peace between animals as well, so I thought maybe it would help to look at that too for more reference. It really isn't necessary though.

My question is still with verse 20 because he is describing the new heaven and new earth. There is no reason for the reader to infer He is skipping to another time frame. However I know that the prophets do skip through time back and forward when you just read them through. This definately looks like He is still on the subject of a new heaven and new earth however. I just read again in Revelation 21 and 22...death has already been destroyed when the new earth appears. Thanks for helping me here...I'm welcoming any input.

Isaiah 11:
6 " The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea. 10 " And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious." 11 It shall come to pass in that day [That] the LORD shall set His hand again the second time To recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea. 12 He will set up a banner for the nations, And will assemble the outcasts of Israel, And gather together the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth.

This will happen before the New Earth and New Heaven. This will happen in the Kingdom of the returned Messiah. This kingdom will last 1000 years before the final satanic rebellion Just before the final Judgement.

I do not believe that the book of Isaiah is chronological. That is i see it as a collection of prophesies put together but not necessarily in order of when they will happen.

The book of Revelation seems to be more chronological. Chapter 20 is one of the best prophetic chapters in the bible. It’s a step by step journey through the end times.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

sa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days; for the child shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner being a hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree shall be the days of my people, and my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
These verses are talking about life on earth after you are right but when it speaks of death it is because someone sinned. And if that person dies before the 1,000 years it is because of sin. A breaking of law.

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( I left the strong numbers on purpose)

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qâlal
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A primitive root; to be (causatively make) light, literally (swift, small, sharp, etc.) or figuratively (easy, trifling, vile, etc.): - abate, make bright, bring into contempt, (ac-) curse, despise, (be) ease (-y, -ier), (be a, make, make somewhat, move, seem a, set) light (-en, -er, ly, -ly afflict, -ly esteem, thing), X slight [-ly], be swift (-er), (be, be more, make, re-) vile, whet.


There are other references with the word accursed which can also mean to banish .

Now I am wondering which part of Isaiah 11 you are speaking of is it the part about the animals being tame and sleeping? That is because of Jesus return that all animals that where not tame will become tame. God Bless You! And If anyone views these as different please let me know i would hate to be misleading in anyway.

sorry I was typing the fisrt post out when you re posted memiler
hope it helped God Bless

Do you mind telling me what is going to happen after the "Final Judgement"?

Also do you mind telling me, what is the "Final Judgement"? And do you mind telling me how the "Resurrection of the Dead & Judgement Day" Fits in, too all of this?

Because correct me if i'm wrong( Because i do not know everything from the bible ) but, from my understanding of the bible and from what i gather:

Armageddon is first , next is the Rapture (Note: The Word rapture is not found in the bible, but the term is there , which is written down somewhere in Thessalonians, this is also in connection on the First Resurrection / The World of the chosen ones selected by The Heavenly Father.

Then comes Judgement Day, which the holy saints( I gussing these are the 144,000) and Jesus Christ will Judge the World / In connection:

"Comes the Last Resurrection which is on the last day which is also mention in " John chapter 5 verse 25 & 29

Chapter 29 is the key here:

Then after all of this, GOD will create a New Heaven & A New Earth which is title = The holy City., that should last forever.

Maybe not in the right order or the right way, i really dont know, but i am aware of it.

Thanks for all of the thoughts! I think when reading Isaiah 11 that it would make perfect sense for the peace etc to be before the new earth, But Isaiah 65, which also describes Jesus reign and remarkable peace on earth between animals and also humans specifically says that those things are after the new earth is made in verse 17. He continues to describe it in detail in the following verses. That's why the mention of death doesn'tmake sense to me. Also look at how he describes families. We aren't given to marriage or will be male/female to reproduce in heaven.

The alternate view is if isa 65:17 means a new earth as in a different earth during the millenial reign of Christ and not THE new heaven and THE new earth. Is that what some of you were alluding to??