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    Do you believe God Became a Man?

    Do you believe God Became a Man?



    An Old Testament Prophet Predicted A God-Man


    What we do know is that in the seventh century BC, the prophet Isaiah made predictions about a Servant of the Lord who would rule the earth in the last days. He described a day in which all of the earth would be at peace and all the nations would go up to Jerusalem to worship God (Isaiah 2). Isaiah announced, "Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (9:6). Isaiah also gave a mysterious prophecy that was only partially fulfilled in his lifetime. It began, "The Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel" (7:14). Immanuel means "God with us."

    A Virgin Conceived


    If Mary was telling the truth, her baby had no human father. She claimed an angel appeared to her and told her she would conceive a son by God's Spirit. Then he said that this child, whom she was to name Jesus, would be the Son of God. If Mary was lying, the night of Jesus' birth was not holy, and the only thing that was silent was the truth. But how can we know? How can we take seriously the kind of story that usually deserves laughs of disbelief? The answer is in what followed. If there were no witnesses and no evidence, we could ignore Mary's claims. If her son's life was the same as any other life, her claim of a virgin birth would be the easiest of all stories to dismiss.



    Angels Announced The Birth


    In the shepherds' fields outside of Bethlehem, a group of witnesses formed a bridge between Isaiah and Mary. According to New Testament records (Luke 2:8-14), terrified Jewish shepherds were visited by an angel who announced the birth of Israel's long-awaited Messiah. The angel said, "Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger" (vv.10-12). As the shepherds told it, the sky was filled with angels praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men in whom He is well pleased" (v.14).



    A Sign Appeared In The Sky


    According to the New Testament, a light in the sky gave additional credibility to Mary. A group of Magi from the East followed a "starlike sign" to the Jewish town of Bethlehem. What they found was a child they believed to be the long-awaited Jewish Messiah. For hundreds of years Old Testament prophets had been speaking of "a Star" and "a Scepter" that would come out of Israel (Numbers 24:17). The Old Testament also predicted a ruler of Israel who would come out of Bethlehem, a ruler "whose goings forth are from old, from everlasting" (Micah 5:2).



    The Time Was Right


    Many believe that the Magi who worshiped Jesus after His birth came from the region of Babylon. If so, they could have had access to the prophecy of a Jewish prophet named Daniel. While in exile in Babylon 400 years earlier, Daniel had a vision that allows for the calculation of the arrival of the Jewish Messiah. According to Daniel's vision, from the command to rebuild the temple (458 BC or 444 BC), 69 "sevens" would be followed by the arrival and death of Messiah (Daniel 7:13-14; 9:24-27). Some believe this prophecy predicted the exact number of days until Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem. (For more details see RBC publication The Daniel Papers).



    Jesus Claimed To Be Equal With God


    Some have suggested that Jesus never claimed for Himself what His followers claimed for Him. Yet the commotion that surrounded His life can be best explained by His repeated claim to be one with God. John, one of the Gospel writers, quoted Jesus as saying, "Before Abraham was, I AM" (8:58). (In Exodus 3:14, the name I AM was used by God to identify Himself to Moses.) John also quoted Jesus as saying, "I and My Father are One" (10:30) and "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him" (14:7). According to the Gospels, Jesus said that to love or hate Him, or to receive or reject Him, was to love or hate, receive or reject His Father in heaven.



    His Friends Worshipped Him


    When Thomas, one of Jesus' disciples, saw the resurrected Christ, he declared, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28). Years later, Jesus' close friend and follower John wrote, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. . . . And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:1-3,14). Another friend, Peter, in one of his letters to the early church, addressed his readers as "those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1).



    Jesus' Enemies Accused Him Of Blasphemy


    Jesus' friends may have wanted to believe He was more than a man, but His enemies did not. The religious leaders of Israel were outraged to think that the same man who accused them of being hypocritical, blind leaders of the blind, would also claim to forgive sins, would speak of God as His Father, and would even say that He was one with God. On more than one occasion the leaders of Israel picked up stones to kill Jesus, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God" (John 10:33).



    Jesus' Miracles Supported His Claims


    Jesus' miracles recorded in the New Testament were more than wonders. They were signs. He did them to encourage men and women to believe in Him for everlasting life. He healed a crippled man to affirm His right to forgive sins. He fed thousands of people with a little boy's lunch, setting the stage for His claim to be the "bread of life." He walked on water, stilled angry seas, healed the sick, restored paralyzed limbs, gave sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf, and even raised from the dead an embalmed man by the name of Lazarus. One reason Jesus performed miracles was to support His claim to be God. The apostle John wrote, "Truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name" (John 20:30-31).



    His Departure Was Greater Than His Arrival


    Many people down through history have claimed to be gods. Yet only one man has been willing to die for the sins of others. Only one has risen from the dead to prove that He is the Son of God. According to the New Testament, after Jesus voluntarily gave His life on an executioner's cross, He appeared to His closest disciples and more than 500 other followers for a period of 40 days (1 Corinthians 15:5-8). The eyewitnesses were so convinced of His resurrection that they were willing to suffer and die for their claims. His disciples said that He showed them His scarred hands and feet, walked and talked with them, and even ate with them. Then while they met with Him on the Mount of Olives, He gave them His last words and ascended into the clouds. With a departure more spectacular than His arrival, Jesus left us with a better understanding of the announcement of the angel who said, "There is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11).




    In the Love of Christ.
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    an excellent summary
    :present: Everyone of us is a priceless gift from the God!
    :present: 我们中的每一个人都是来自于上帝的珍贵礼物!

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    A beautiful post Yeshua full of truth. May The Spirit keep on guiding you.


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    Thank You! jesusisthegod, I appreciate your thoughts.

    Thank You! jesusisthegod, I appreciate your thoughts.

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    an excellent summary

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    Jesus is The LORD God of creation!

    Jesus is God in the flesh...
    God in skin...
    God Killable!

    Thus Jesus was God my sacrificial lamb...
    God my Blood redeemer...
    God my salvation... Yeshua!

    That’s right
    God didn't just send his boy to do His hard work!
    God was faithful, He did it all himself!
    God himself stepped out of Heaven, put on humanity, and paid for my sins!

    Mine!

    I killed God with my wickedness!
    It was me. not the Jews, ME!
    My fault! my sin!

    But God thumbed his nose at death and rose again!
    So I could do the same!

    That’s right, God alone, became Jesus and has forgiven me!
    Because of HIS love for me when I knew nothing of LOVE!


    Praise God my Savior who is named Jesus Christ the Messiah come in the Flesh.
    My redeemer!
    My King!
    And most of all MY FRIEND!


    Isaiah 43:10-11
    10 "You are My witnesses," says the Lord, "And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. 11 I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.

    Isaiah 45:21
    Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me.

    1 Tim 3:16
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God (YHWH) was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.


    WOOO HOOOO!
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    True, true, God nailed OUR SIN to the Cross upon the sinless one, to die in our place, he who knew no sin, he paid a debt he didn't owe, we owe a debt we cannot pay.
    God had to turn away when Jesus was on the Cross, when He cried out 'why hast thou forsaken thou me?' because God cannot look upon sin. How sad is that? Our dear Lord was unable to be looked upon by God all because of us.
    Amen
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    The hand of our God is upon all them for good that seek Him. Ezra 8 V22

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    Thats nice of you to post scriptures from the holy bible, but none of the scriptures says anything about how "GOD left his throne and changed into a man"

    The scriptures makes it clear that Jesus was sent from GOD, thus making Jesus the son and the father still in the throne of heaven. To be sent you was order from someone else , other then yourself.

    Along those same lines where it mentions "I and the father are one" , it also mentions how Jesus christ was praying:

    Praying, not to himself, but to his father

    For his disciples to become one, Just as the father and i are on. The disciples aint the same, but the same as one flesh, or in spirit.

    The Messiah is not GOD, he is the Son of GOD, as the scriptures Makes real clear.

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    Only one has risen from the dead to prove that He is the Son of God

    "This is also more proof, you also mention this. GOD is the one who rise up christ, and like it mentions, he is the son of GOD, not GOD."

    You also said this:

    -His friends worship him-

    They said, my lord, my GOD, they bow down to Jesus, *To the glory of GOD the Father*. They wasnt actually bowing to Jesus, but bowing to Jesus to GOD, because we cant know GOD, unless we know Jesus. Jesus makes it clear once more, that we must only worship GOD, not Jesus, not the disciples, not mary, not satan, but GOD, and GOD only.

    From my understanding of the Bible, it seems like GOD and Jesus is the same in spirit , in the heart, just like the *Disciples are one, just like how GOD and Jesus are one, kinda like a football team, working together.

    John at the end of his words, says and makes clear that, We must all come to an understanding that GOD sent Jesus onto the Earth, and Jesus is the Christ, Jesus is the Son of GOD, not GOD.
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    Jesus is GOD the Son / aka Son of GOD. He was GOD in flesh/man also. Jesus clearly said it Himself:

    John 10:38
    But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

    John 8:20
    “You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his time had not yet come.

    Matthew 11:27
    “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

    Luke 23:46
    Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad
    Jesus is GOD the Son / aka Son of GOD. He was GOD in flesh/man also. Jesus clearly said it Himself:
    Actually the correct term is: The Son of GOD. No where in the bible(from the KJV, and other bibles as well) mentions anything about how Jesus is GOD the Son, it only mentions: The Son of GOD, even John himself makes this clear enough for people to understand that, Jesus Was Sent from GOD, We all must come to an understanding that Jesus is the Son of GOD.


    John 10:38
    But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

    * The Father is in him, and? All believers of the bible has the holy ghost in them, same thing. And that last part, And I in the father and? Jesus said the same thing about the disciples, how they are one just as the father and i are one, and they in me, and i in them. I love the way Jesus talks, by reading more into those lines you can see that the disciples is in Jesus too, and they are also one. Its a strange way of talking, but i can clearly understand it *


    John 8:20
    “You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his time had not yet come.

    * Ok, what does this have to do with anything? There is no mention or hint about Jesus is GOD by reading that. Its showing again that nobody can understand GOD , if you dont understand The Messiah *

    Matthew 11:27
    “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

    *Jesus is just telling him and and his father are close, again, no direct mention of Jesus as GOD*

    Luke 23:46
    Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.[/QUOTE]

    Once again, Jesus is yelling out to who? Not to himself , that would be silly, but to his Father, which makes Jesus and GOD separate, but close.

    I dont know everything from the bible, and neither do the next man, but i know and understand this madness about Jesus being GOD, because he is not, We all must come to an understanding that Jesus was sent from GOD, and Jesus is the Son of GOD

    Funny thing, it dont mention anything about Jesus is GOD. You can believe what you want tho, peace

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