Your lack of understand is astonishing. It is obvious you do not understand the entire post I put up.
LOL "You can quote words from the bible all you want, thats what alot of people do, but do you really understand them?" Now that is very funny, let's not look to the Bible for our understanding is that right? You do not understand the Bible. Again, go and learn from a Pastor.
One foot in front of the other every day with our Father holding tightly.
Actually i would rather learn and heed and follow and seek after my "Lord & Savior" whom we callest: The Son of GOD. Thank you for boasting tho, our father in heaven will be well pleased.Originally Posted by mymakersdaughter
Ledgendary ... Where did JESUS come from ? And why did he come ? And where is he now ? BROTHER
Actually haha, that is a very good scripture pointing out another fact that, The Father and the Son is separate and not the same. It didnt say that Jesus would know, it says that GOD the father is the only one that knows, thus GOD is in direct control on whats coming and the later. You see here, that it does not mention anything about how Jesus Christ would know.
QUOTE=strypes] I have read many scriptures in reference to this and I have never been one for man's doctrines. My faith is based completely on the bible and not on what I am told by others (their interpretation). I believe there is wisdom in a multitude of counselors and to always bring it back to the word of God![/QUOTE]
I agree with you there, about the part about not being told by others. Even tho their views may be right, so its best to listen and see what they talking about. People say i'm wrong, but you never know, i could be right. The holy Ghost is well within me, just like it is well within the next person.
God the Son is not mention in the bible, and GOD the holy spirit is not mention in the bible. The Disciples say: GOD The Father and His Son Christ Jesus. And the disciples are 100% correct, because they know more then us, we do not know more then them.
What about my questions ? Where did jesus come from ? Why did he come ? And where is he now ? I want to learn too . BROTHER
You know i read somewhere in the bible that Jesus christ was created by GOD, i am guessing he came from heaven, because did not The Messiah say, i go back to my father, your father, and the world father?
Note: Along those same words, you see here that he said he is going back to his father & our Father.
Jesus was sent to the earth, he didnt come , he was sent here to do a Job. And he went back when his purpose was finsh. But we have faith, that he is coming back quicky to restore order, because GOD has given him power over the Earth. Sounds cool dont it
And again, Jesus Christ is back in the throne of heaven, right hand of GOD.
Why do you ask these questions, do you believe that Jesus came on his own will, or do you believe that GOD sent JESUS to this earth?
Btw, i have learn over the years that its its really impossible to change some one's mind dealing with alot of issues in the bible. Nobody knows everything, thats what makes this fun, so keep learning.
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I think yall are being a bit hard on legendary.He obviously has an understanding of scripture that is dear to him and if he has peace and happiness with it,then so be it.Through my time here at talkjesus I have watched and been in invoved in many different discussions often where people have opposing opinions on differenet matters.The topic of tongues for example opens a can of worms every time its mentioned!I have my own views on the above thread and dont really want to enter into a bandying of words and scriptures with anyone.We have to be mindful we dont become like the scribes and pharisees who spent much of the time bickering and often missed the point or principle at stake.I love that i have the oppurtunity to come here and praise god,share godly conversation and enjoy fun and caring christian fellowship.We shoulnt brow beat others because their beliefs are not exactly the same as ours.GB you all!
Thanks for your thoughts mymakersdaughter!
I already explain to someone on this board what John chapter chapter 1 verse 1 is about , along those same lines i said that "You are not allowed, to read one line to gain the correct understanding of the word of GOD"
Try understanding that , then the answer is right in front of you.
I never have the bible near me when i am on the computer, but GOD the Father is there, i will post it in due time. The disciples uses this term thoughout the bible more then once, alot of times for that matter. Not once did that say Christ Jesus is GOD , they say: GOD the Father and The Son of GOD, whom is the Christ.
And on the last thing: I am not trying to prove anyone wrong, why would i do that, when none of us, knows everything from the holy bible.
Believe God Became a Man.
An Old Testament Prophet Predicted A God-Man
What we do know is that in the seventh century BC, the prophet Isaiah made predictions about a Servant of the Lord who would rule the earth in the last days. He described a day in which all of the earth would be at peace and all the nations would go up to Jerusalem to worship God (Isaiah 2). Isaiah announced, "Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (9:6). Isaiah also gave a mysterious prophecy that was only partially fulfilled in his lifetime. It began, "The Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel" (7:14). Immanuel means "God with us."
A Virgin Conceived
If Mary was telling the truth, her baby had no human father. She claimed an angel appeared to her and told her she would conceive a son by God's Spirit. Then he said that this child, whom she was to name Jesus, would be the Son of God. If Mary was lying, the night of Jesus' birth was not holy, and the only thing that was silent was the truth. But how can we know? How can we take seriously the kind of story that usually deserves laughs of disbelief? The answer is in what followed. If there were no witnesses and no evidence, we could ignore Mary's claims. If her son's life was the same as any other life, her claim of a virgin birth would be the easiest of all stories to dismiss.
Angels Announced The Birth
In the shepherds' fields outside of Bethlehem, a group of witnesses formed a bridge between Isaiah and Mary. According to New Testament records (Luke 2:8-14), terrified Jewish shepherds were visited by an angel who announced the birth of Israel's long-awaited Messiah. The angel said, "Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger" (vv.10-12). As the shepherds told it, the sky was filled with angels praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men in whom He is well pleased" (v.14).
A Sign Appeared In The Sky
According to the New Testament, a light in the sky gave additional credibility to Mary. A group of Magi from the East followed a "starlike sign" to the Jewish town of Bethlehem. What they found was a child they believed to be the long-awaited Jewish Messiah. For hundreds of years Old Testament prophets had been speaking of "a Star" and "a Scepter" that would come out of Israel (Numbers 24:17). The Old Testament also predicted a ruler of Israel who would come out of Bethlehem, a ruler "whose goings forth are from old, from everlasting" (Micah 5:2).
The Time Was Right
Many believe that the Magi who worshiped Jesus after His birth came from the region of Babylon. If so, they could have had access to the prophecy of a Jewish prophet named Daniel. While in exile in Babylon 400 years earlier, Daniel had a vision that allows for the calculation of the arrival of the Jewish Messiah. According to Daniel's vision, from the command to rebuild the temple (458 BC or 444 BC), 69 "sevens" would be followed by the arrival and death of Messiah (Daniel 7:13-14; 9:24-27). Some believe this prophecy predicted the exact number of days until Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem. (For more details see RBC publication The Daniel Papers).
Jesus Claimed To Be Equal With God
Some have suggested that Jesus never claimed for Himself what His followers claimed for Him. Yet the commotion that surrounded His life can be best explained by His repeated claim to be one with God. John, one of the Gospel writers, quoted Jesus as saying, "Before Abraham was, I AM" (8:58). (In Exodus 3:14, the name I AM was used by God to identify Himself to Moses.) John also quoted Jesus as saying, "I and My Father are One" (10:30) and "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him" (14:7). According to the Gospels, Jesus said that to love or hate Him, or to receive or reject Him, was to love or hate, receive or reject His Father in heaven.
His Friends Worshipped Him
When Thomas, one of Jesus' disciples, saw the resurrected Christ, he declared, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28). Years later, Jesus' close friend and follower John wrote, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. . . . And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:1-3,14). Another friend, Peter, in one of his letters to the early church, addressed his readers as "those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1).
Jesus' Enemies Accused Him Of Blasphemy
Jesus' friends may have wanted to believe He was more than a man, but His enemies did not. The religious leaders of Israel were outraged to think that the same man who accused them of being hypocritical, blind leaders of the blind, would also claim to forgive sins, would speak of God as His Father, and would even say that He was one with God. On more than one occasion the leaders of Israel picked up stones to kill Jesus, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God" (John 10:33).
Jesus' Miracles Supported His Claims
Jesus' miracles recorded in the New Testament were more than wonders. They were signs. He did them to encourage men and women to believe in Him for everlasting life. He healed a crippled man to affirm His right to forgive sins. He fed thousands of people with a little boy's lunch, setting the stage for His claim to be the "bread of life." He walked on water, stilled angry seas, healed the sick, restored paralyzed limbs, gave sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf, and even raised from the dead an embalmed man by the name of Lazarus. One reason Jesus performed miracles was to support His claim to be God. The apostle John wrote, "Truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name" (John 20:30-31).
His Departure Was Greater Than His Arrival
Many people down through history have claimed to be gods. Yet only one man has been willing to die for the sins of others. Only one has risen from the dead to prove that He is the Son of God. According to the New Testament, after Jesus voluntarily gave His life on an executioner's cross, He appeared to His closest disciples and more than 500 other followers for a period of 40 days (1 Corinthians 15:5-8). The eyewitnesses were so convinced of His resurrection that they were willing to suffer and die for their claims. His disciples said that He showed them His scarred hands and feet, walked and talked with them, and even ate with them. Then while they met with Him on the Mount of Olives, He gave them His last words and ascended into the clouds. With a departure more spectacular than His arrival, Jesus left us with a better understanding of the announcement of the angel who said, "There is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11).
In the Loveof Christ.
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