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    For the good that I would I do not - Paul

    Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

    Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

    Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

    Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

    Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

    Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

    Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

    Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

    Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

    Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

    Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

    Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

    Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

    Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    Paul the chief of sinners, I am no better then He! What the issues are is clear, we are in Christ and Christ is in us. It is black and white, in print. Anyone who serves God will discover sooner or later that the greatest hindrance he has in the Lord's Work in not others, but himself. The Lord Jesus tells us in John 12;

    Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    The true life is within the grain (corn), but it is surrounded by a shell, as long as the shell is not broken then the true life cannot come forth, the wheat cannot sprout. The wheat must die, what is this death? It is the breaking of the shell, through moisture, temperature, natural process. Once the shell is broken then the wheat begins to grow. We have a shell of flesh, that must be broken so that the Real life, can flow through us who are children of God, saved by faith in Christ alone. This inward man Paul writes of in Romans 7:22 contains this life, which is the Holy Spirit. The outer shell is our own life, identified as our soul, while the life within us is the eternal life which He has given us, by His Grace, not because of works. That is why the story of the Woman in Mark chapter 14 who poured out the vial of Alabaster is so rich in meaning. The Vial, while beautiful and seemly costly by wordly eyes, needed to be broken to allow the real fragrance(life) to be released. We do hinder the Spirit's work in our life. Each time we hinder the Spirit, it is sin.
    Just as a seed takes time to grow in the ground so are we who are in Christ, we are matured over time, and the maturation takes the breaking of the shell, as we break we become more like what Christ desires us to be.
    The thinking that Christians do not sin is "cute" but not true. If it where true then Paul is in error. We can justify our sin however we choose, but I caution you, we would be in great error to beleive that we have achieved the perfection of Christ while we are here on earth. but maybe that is a way of justifying ourselves, I wonder?

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    One of Paul's greatest desires in his ministry was to bring people to maturity as Christians. (Ephesians 4:13) He recognised this as a process. We call this process sanctification - it mostly the work of the Holy Spirit.

    Paul described some of the Christians in the Corinthian church as worldly...yes they were saved, but they were still immature and worldly...that is, they were still sinning, missing the mark, in some way. This did not disclude them from being in God's family however! God is patient! (See 1 Corinthians 3:1-3)

    Paul himself struggled with his sinful nature (See Romans 7:15-20!), as we all do, because the sinful nature (or fleshly or worldly nature) is in opposition to the Holy Spirit living inside us. (Galatians 5:16-17)

    At this present time we are only partakers of God's divine nature to a limited extent. We will only be truly perfected and sinless when we see Jesus face to face and our bodies are transformed into His glorious likeness. (1 Corinthians 13:12; Philippians 3:20-21)

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    Perfectly said evangeline. Thank you

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    Sweet scriptures YourPastorT

    Romans 7 says a lot, Romans 8 is also good.

    All Praise the Ancient of Days

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    My dear children, I write this to you so that you do not sin. But if you do sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense - Jesus Christ the Righteous One
    1 John 2:1

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    chad,

    I do not think he was putting you down or anyone else. The posts I have read he s just saying that everyone an sin. I do not see how you think that when someone tells the truth you get upset at them. There is someone on this board who beleives like I do, and this person is Timothy. Are you going to put him down too? Just beause soeone tells what is true you don't tell him to find a door out of this place or agree. You are saying if he does not beleive what you do the say bye to talk jesus. That is not how Jesus was. Did he put you down for what you beleive? No, he gave you a chance to repent or you did not repent. HE did not ake us do something. Think about that Chad....

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline
    One of Paul's greatest desires in his ministry was to bring people to maturity as Christians. (Ephesians 4:13) He recognised this as a process. We call this process sanctification - it mostly the work of the Holy Spirit.

    Paul described some of the Christians in the Corinthian church as worldly...yes they were saved, but they were still immature and worldly...that is, they were still sinning, missing the mark, in some way. This did not disclude them from being in God's family however! God is patient! (See 1 Corinthians 3:1-3)

    Paul himself struggled with his sinful nature (See Romans 7:15-20!), as we all do, because the sinful nature (or fleshly or worldly nature) is in opposition to the Holy Spirit living inside us. (Galatians 5:16-17)

    At this present time we are only partakers of God's divine nature to a limited extent. We will only be truly perfected and sinless when we see Jesus face to face and our bodies are transformed into His glorious likeness. (1 Corinthians 13:12; Philippians 3:20-21)
    very well put Evangeline & Thank you YourPastorT and Chad I always understood that it was as you have said that with the help of the Holy Spirit we continue to grow to be like Jesus and that we will be there the day that we meet face to face with Him. Until then we will be struggeling as Paul did this is why we need to surrender everyday and rely on Jesus and the Holy Spirit to guide us in everything that we do or say and even think.
    Yours in Him!:rose:
    God Bless my family here at Talk Jesus, Love and Peace,

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    Brooke, you got it all wrong. Read carefully Timothy's reactions and comments to others. I honestly do not care for people's "views" because the real "VIEW" is the TRUTH according to GOD.

    I really do not need you to exlpain to me how Jesus was. I know how Jesus was. I read the bible daily and I am the one who began this site for GOD's glory in Jesus Christ.

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    What do you talk about Jesus or walk like Jesus? I had someone on this board saying that I said I never except the truth. I did not say that at all. So I tryed to back someone up. I think that this is not the place. I am not going to come back because of people on this board, later. I have a few things that I want to do first.

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    I have a few things that I want to do first.
    Yes, you did. You made a fool of yourself and acted completely un-Christlike and 100% naive beyond beliefe with your two other threads. You are banned.

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