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    Revelation 11:15 KJV The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ because Revelation 12:7-12 the devil and his bad angels are defeated in war and cast to the earth. Isaiah 24:21-22 Isaiah explains that God will use the earth as a prison for the devil and the rebellious people for a short time or the last half of the 7year tribulation.

    Revelation 11:15 KJV
    15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    because


    Revelation 12:7–12 KJV
    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


    Isaiah 24:21-22
    21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
    22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
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    Originally Posted by Eric E Stahl View Post
    War in Heaven
    Read these in the King James Bible. When Man sinned we lost dominion of earth and it went to the devil. In the middle of the tribulation period God will take ownership of earth back. Jesus will not come down to rule on earth till after the tribulation.

    Revelation 11:15 KJV The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ because Revelation 12:7-12 the devil and his bad angels are defeated in war and cast to the earth. Isaiah 24:21-22 Isaiah explains that God will use the earth as a prison for the devil and the rebellious people for a short time or the last half of the 7year tribulation.

    Isaiah 14:12-15 KJV Devil cast down because!

    Ezekiel 28:12-19 KJV
    Very Interesting post!

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    Originally Posted by eddieb View Post
    so where does it say man forfieted his dominion? i take prince of this world to mean man brought sin into the world by disobedience but he fathered the lie. i dont believe he is in charge or control of anything. except if you let him have a foothold and even then its possible to get rid of him by resisting temptation, prayer and fasting. cant get rid of the Holy Ghost. not that you would want to. just for comparassion.
    i believe this is Gods earth/planet/world still, and he has his way. even in the whirlwind. i havent found anywhere though where it says we gave up our dominion. even more, i have had the Holy spirit well up inside me powerfully and i was speaking in tounges. the enemy started telling me lies, what your saying isnt anything its gibberish you know it dosent mean anything. this angered me and i said loudly "shut up". i couldnt see him but i know his hands drew up and his eyes got big and he withdrew from the room and adventually the house. he dont have rule. he is a liar and all his "power" comes from deception.
    Read the following verses and notice that the kingdoms will become , so they are not now.
    War in Heaven - 01-14-12, 09:57 AM
    Revelation 11:15 KJV The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ because Revelation 12:7-12 the devil and his bad angels are defeated in war and cast to the earth. Isaiah 24:21-22 Isaiah explains that God will use the earth as a prison for the devil and the rebellious people for a short time or the last half of the 7year tribulation.

    Revelation 11:15 KJV
    15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    because


    Revelation 12:7Ė12 KJV
    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


    Isaiah 24:21-22
    21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
    22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

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    Originally Posted by Eric E Stahl View Post
    Read the following verses and notice that the kingdoms will become , so they are not now.
    War in Heaven - 01-14-12, 09:57 AM
    Revelation 11:15 KJV The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ because Revelation 12:7-12 the devil and his bad angels are defeated in war and cast to the earth. Isaiah 24:21-22 Isaiah explains that God will use the earth as a prison for the devil and the rebellious people for a short time or the last half of the 7year tribulation.

    Revelation 11:15 KJV
    15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    because


    Revelation 12:7Ė12 KJV
    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


    Isaiah 24:21-22
    21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
    22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
    none of the scriptures you provided say man lost his dominion. allow me to illustrate. man is in offices of government worldwide. man rules. this is true. now all men have a choice. life or death (therfore choose life that ye and your offspring may live long in the land god.... its out of deuteronomy.) men in power have a choice. to rule in righteousness or wickedness. man still opens the door to the enemy or to not open to the enemy. man still gives his consent. just as adam consented to eat of the fruit. thus man has dominion. if a man in power (in dominion of government) chooses to rule in tyranny and oppression and dishonest gain then he brings upon himself, the people, and the land all the hardships that come with it. in revelations when God sends the plauges it says the men wouldnt repent. thier heart was hardened. its mans choice to open the door. speaking of doors jesus stands at the door and knocks and if any man opens he will come in and sup. we have to open that door though.

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    Originally Posted by eddieb View Post
    none of the scriptures you provided say man lost his dominion. allow me to illustrate. man is in offices of government worldwide. man rules. this is true. now all men have a choice. life or death (therfore choose life that ye and your offspring may live long in the land god.... its out of deuteronomy.) men in power have a choice. to rule in righteousness or wickedness. man still opens the door to the enemy or to not open to the enemy. man still gives his consent. just as adam consented to eat of the fruit. thus man has dominion. if a man in power (in dominion of government) chooses to rule in tyranny and oppression and dishonest gain then he brings upon himself, the people, and the land all the hardships that come with it. in revelations when God sends the plauges it says the men wouldnt repent. thier heart was hardened. its mans choice to open the door. speaking of doors jesus stands at the door and knocks and if any man opens he will come in and sup. we have to open that door though.
    The kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ by war in heaven at the

    blowing of the 7th trumpet judgment. Can you give me any scripture to show how or when the devil will

    take the kingdoms from man so God can take them from the devil?

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    when we cant buy sell or trade without the mark of the beast. when he makes the people worship him or kill them. but even then he tricks them into thinking he is God. so even then his power comes from deception. the believers who know the truth wont be fooled. so even when that day comes and they kill the believers, and the word says that will happen in revelations (13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.) but even then when we are killed the enemy has no power.

    there is victory in Jesus.
    We win. We win. (i feel like shouting!!!!)

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    Originally Posted by eddieb View Post
    when we cant buy sell or trade without the mark of the beast. when he makes the people worship him or kill them. but even then he tricks them into thinking he is God. so even then his power comes from deception. the believers who know the truth wont be fooled. so even when that day comes and they kill the believers, and the word says that will happen in revelations (13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.) but even then when we are killed the enemy has no power.

    there is victory in Jesus.
    We win. We win. (i feel like shouting!!!!)
    In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 God causes the christian countries to accept the antichrist after the rapture.

    In Revelation 17: God causes the ten kings who have devoured the earth to give their power to the antichrist! So when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdomes of God and his Christ, God will put the antichrist in power!

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    Originally Posted by Eric E Stahl View Post
    In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 God causes the christian countries to accept the antichrist after the rapture.

    In Revelation 17: God causes the ten kings who have devoured the earth to give their power to the antichrist! So when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdomes of God and his Christ, God will put the antichrist in power!

    i would like to point out two of the words in your post....

    "God causes."

    even a little closer to the end of your post it says (3 more words) "God will put".

    every one of my posts in this thread has been to thwart belief that "the prince of this world" is nothing more than the one to bring sin into the world by telling Eve a lie. his nation that he is prince is of sin and bondage to sin. there is no truth in him. if he speaks its a lie. he has no rule unless you open the door. the bible even instructs for a man and wife to abstain laying with one another so the enemy dosent get a foothold. anything in excess is bad. God rules and we choose or not. We still call the animals what man names them. man still rules in bodys of government.
    God causes these things to happen so He can singlehandedly defeat evil and recieve the praise honor and glory. Jesus said he is the resurection and the life. then a few passages later he says lazuras, come forth. (john 11:43) Jesus conquered the grave.
    Now i understand that when we are born we are born in sin, however my words are to someone who is already a believer in this context.

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    to eddieb from nonya bissness,

    God is going to take control of earth from the devil according to the Bible.

    I believe the Bible.

    What scriptures do you have to make you believe that man still has control?

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    Backing up Eric here, if we were the ones with complete dominion, why did Satan offer dominion over the whole world to Jesus?

    Jesus did not deny Satan's claim either, but simply refused the offer.


    We sinned and gave our authority to Satan, who now owns us as slaves to sin and death, just as God warned us would happen. Jesus has liberated us, if we accept His free gift.

    We then become citizens of Heaven, owned by God again, and therefore heirs to everything God has, which will also be the world when He takes it back, in the 7th trumpet, as Eric has stated. He is perfectly Biblical with his statements.


    Originally Posted by Eric E Stahl View Post
    to eddieb from nonya bissness,

    God is going to take control of earth from the devil according to the Bible.

    I believe the Bible.

    What scriptures do you have to make you believe that man still has control?

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