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    60 Years of Independence

    This week marks the 60th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel. There have already been many birthday greetings, some heartfelt, some perfunctory, along with numerous reflections on the meaning of the occasion, some profound, some commonplace.

    Israel is a “stinking corpse” on its way to “annihilation,” Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said last Thursday as Israel celebrated Independence Day. “Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken,” proclaimed the president of Iran, a nation that is a member in good standing of the United Nations and an active trading partner of countries like Germany and Russia. “Today the reason for the Zionist regime’s existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation.”

    EDIT: This was taken from the New York Post today - Atonement


    Wow..

    Matt. 24:34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things happen.

    Jesus is of course talking about the generation that sees the return of the Jews to modern Israel and that happened on May 14th 1948. He is also talking about all the other things that are to happen at the end of the age. What time interval is Jesus implying? The answer lives in Psalm 90. The following is the relevant verse:

    Psalms 90:10 The years of our lives are 70; and if by reason of strength they be 80 years, yet most of them are labor and sorrow; for life is soon cut off and we fly away

    This actually defines the word "generation," used in some translations in this Psalm. The number of years people live is 70, or 80 if strong.

    Matthew begins by providing a particularly stylized genealogy of Jesus. He deliberately leaves out known generations in order to teach something new: 14 generations operated each of several key points in the history of ancient Israel.
    The first set of 14 generations ends with David. What had happened with David? He was made king over ancient Israel under and everlasting covenant. Jesus will eventually sit on David's throne, cycling that covenant back to himself. But, initially the nation had God himself as king, and it was a national rejection of God's leadership that lead the nation to get a king at all. 14 generations mark the time to this first national denial of God.
    The second set of 14 generations spans the time to the Babylonian deportation. Here the nation had rejected the law itself, and as a consequence the nation invoked the clauses in the Mosaic covenant that caused them to loose their land. This period in history was the second national denial of God.
    The third set of 14 generations spans the time from the Babylonian captivity to the Christ. This is interesting too, since the ancient nation rejected the Messiah when Jesus was crucified. This was the third national denial of God.

    Hidden At the end of the genealogy this is how he makes his summary point:

    Matthew 1:17 Therefore all the generations, from Abraham down to David, are 14 generations; and from David down to the Babylonian captivity are 14 generations; and from the Babylonian captivity down to Messiah are 14 generations.

    Matthew is using the Psalm 90 definitions of Generation in order to tell a specific chronological time story. The first interval of that story is strictly historical, the interval from Abraham to David.
    The last year of Abraham's life was 8958 AA, the first year past his last year was 8959 AA.
    Using 70 as the length of a generation, the interval implied by Matthew is 14 * 70 = 980 years. With 8959 AA being the first of these 980 years, the last is 9938 AA. This year ended with David early in the 1 year 4 months he was spending with the Philistines.

    The other generational lengths implied by Matthew's genealogy are more interesting because they span past the end of the historical chronology. A veil lives in this account because without understanding the meaning of "Babylon" we may think Matthew is implying the departure to Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon. Certainly the kingly chronology points there, but Matthew is telling a prophetic chronological story and the ancient departure to Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon is predictive for another. The other use of a Generation, the strong one, the one were Jesus showed up, shows is the implied departure and a different Babylon. Here's the math.
    Using 80 years as a length for a generation yields 14 * 80 = 1120 biblical years. Using 9939 AA as the first of those 1120 years, yields the end of 11058 as the end. We can look at the first day in the next year for a hit as to the departure Matthew is exploring.

    This is smack in the period when Roman General Titus, a future Emperor, invaded Jerusalem, killing or selling into slavery most of residents of Jerusalem. His men would burn down Herod's temple that summer.

    The third run of 14 generations is also important and prophetic. Without understanding the math, the casual reader expects the 14 generations to land in Jesus' era. There are of course 2 problems with that. First, the second set of 14 generations already passed Jesus' era. Second, there may or may not have been 14 generations in history. Matthew has left generations off already, so he is not recording history for his readers, but providing a prophetic story for the future.
    The other problem with this passage is what ends the genealogy. The word translated 'Christ' when it stands alone from the word 'Jesus' implies the Holy Spirit and Jesus' office. Remember, it is the 'Christ' who is formed in people through the process of discipleship. That this passage does not name Jesus, but Christ, is important. It is providing a riddle about Christ being formed in someone, or some group, at some interesting time in history.
    Because the word Jesus is left off, this passage is not revealing the return of Jesus. Christ has been here all along, formed in disciples, we await the return of Jesus, but not Christ.
    The math works out something like this. Either Matthew means 70 years per generation, or he means 80 years per generation. Each is possible, and they yield different times in world history.
    The first case is the 70 year case. 14 * 70 = 980 years. The second case is 14 * 80 = 1120 years.

    There are two ways to read this, the first, with 70 years to the generation, lands very close to the millennium break. If this is the correct answer the date is dealing with the christianization of Russia. (Remember that word, Christ.)
    Starting in about 990 AD the Russian peoples turned to Christ. The process of christianization took several decades. (That last generation.) When it was over Russia had become Christian. It would remain so for 1000 years until the collapse of the Communist system in 1990 and 1991.
    The second way to read this, with 80 years to the generation, is nearly 200 years into the millennium. Interesting because it is the start of Peter's denial, when Passion Week is overlaid on the main chronology. Also interesting, since this entire passage is dealing with the various denials of Israel.

    Returning to the original question. A 'generation' will see all the events at the end of the age. What time period does that generation cover?

    When the Bible uses the word "Generation" it implies either 70 or 80 years.

    -excerpts from
    Phil Stone
    12/16/2004
    Last edited by Atonement; 05-16-08 at 05:35 PM.

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    Ahmadinejad is in no more control of what he says as was hitler and pilate. these are the kind of people that make me god fearing and so greatful that the lord has given me the truth, we have to keep our eyes on the ball people, pray for the lords mercy, and pray for the blind. jesus will be coming and all accounts will be called.

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    Originally Posted by michael74 View Post
    Ahmadinejad is in no more control of what he says as was hitler and pilate. these are the kind of people that make me god fearing and so greatful that the lord has given me the truth, we have to keep our eyes on the ball people, pray for the lords mercy, and pray for the blind. jesus will be coming and all accounts will be called.

    Amen bother

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    "there will be strange things happening to the sun and the moon and the stars. on earth whole countries will be in despair, afraid of the roar of the sea and the raging tides, people will faint from fear as they wait for what is coming over the whole earth, for the powers in space will be driven from their courses, then the son of man will appear, coming in a cloud with great power and glory. when these things begin to happen, stand up and raise your heads, because your salvation is near"

    attonement mate i know that people are afraid of the roar of the sea and the raging tides because of the tsunami, burma cyclone stuff like that, but when you read this does it seem like the last parts are gonna happen on the same day or a gradual build up what do you think.
    when the lord says raise your heads i think it means an act of faith the last thing we can do to to say YES lord i know its you lord, i will bow and surve you forever but for this moment here iam father take me to you.

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    attonement mate i know that people are afraid of the roar of the sea and the raging tides because of the tsunami, burma cyclone stuff like that, but when you read this does it seem like the last parts are gonna happen on the same day or a gradual build up what do you think.
    You know these things have been going on for years, but what is unusual about this generation is that more prophecy has been fulfilled in the last 60 years over and beyond any generation before. If you look at the National Earthquake information center - NEIC web site, you will see that this decade alone, there has been a spike of 30% more earth quakes since that of any decades prior. That's amazing huh? So to answer your question Michael, I see this is a gradual process that will only increase both in activity and strength.

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