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Originally Posted by Jeffo
Hi Fellowservant.
Well im not a preterist, but i do favour the Amillenialist view.
Jesus in the gospels, and Peter, both refer to his coming as it was in Noahs day.
This is refering to the promise of his coming, as being that day when God will destroy by fire instead of water and save those in the ark/ or in Christ...everyone else perishes...
Peter then tells them, what kind of people ought you to be?..........as you look to these things, when the heavens will dissappear with a roar and the earth melts.
Peter encourages them by saying that theres going to be a new heaven and a new earth..where righteousness dwells.....a place prepared according to the promise that the lord Gave to Peter and us in Jn 14.
In my fathers house are many mansions, but i go to prepare a place for you......and i will come again and recieve you to myself, that you may be where i am.
Peter makes no mention of the earth not being destroyed ...so there can be a millenium..but he looks to the events of the Great white throne, when hev and earth dissappear and all things are risen and made new....and the book of life is opened and Jesus comes to render to everyman accordingly.
God isnt slow about bringing about this day, but he is patient, not wanting any to perish, because perish you will, just like they did in Noahs day. Only the saved will see the New world that Jesus has gone to prepare for us.
Today is the day of salvation, and i wouldnt encourage anyone to put it off till he comes to rule....
Jesus said that he had told us all things before the time, and Peter in this part of his epistle, had the perfect opportunity to tell us about the millenium, but didnt.
So much more to say about it...maybe later if anyone wishes to discuss it more.
Good news is hes coming to get us and where he is we will be....dont care where really, but ive got a feeling its something that no eye has ever seen..like the Fathers House.
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You say that Jesus told us all things before the time? Do you mean before John and the book of revelation as well? Just wondering. I don't see a contradiction between the coming as in the days of Noah, or coming to destroy the beast and false prophet at his return Rev 19.
The book of revelation has warnings in it as well about his return (Ie behold i come quickly) And Amill Ive heard just means no Millennium, and they teach that the Millennium is taking place now. Jesus destroying the earth with fire, right after his return is not mentioned in the book of rev. As a matter of fact it puts a 1000 year period between his coming and the earth passing away. Ie great white throne judgment.
How will Christ rule the nations of the earth with a rod of iron, if he fries them all up at his coming? Some will be spared according to Daniel, not the armies that go up against the lord at his coming, but the people of these evil rulers. Ie the ten toed kingdom of Daniel and Rev.
Read all Daniel chapter 7, Rev 17:12 has more on these last kings as well.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld [even] till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
That's why i believe that Peter was talking in figurative speech or quoting a prophet of the OT. Prophecy is sometimes not word for word. Jesus told John to wright the book of revelation, he says come i will show you things that must shortly come to pass, probably long after Peter and even Paul.
Peter probably never even seen these letters (Ie the book of revelation) or any of the book of revelation that was given to John for the church, by the order of Christ himself. If we go about this the wrong way, we can end up having Christ, John, and Peter contradict themselves. But when it comes to Amill, Ive seen mostly all the arguments. We will have to agree to disagree here.
God bless