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08-18-08, 07:43 PM

" I do not believe that Limited Atonement is correct. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, not just for the sins of the elect. “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” (1 John 2:2). Other verses in opposition to limited atonement are John 1:29; 3:16; 1 Timothy 2:6; 2 Peter 2:1."

a quote that I would like to adress in two ways.

1) You cannot pick and choose out of the bible, nor can you pick and choose things out of a belief system otherwise things begin to condtradict each other. Just as the Mormon books and belief systems do. You see they claim many things and say other things. And we would be doing the same if we pick and choose the verses we use to prove things in belief systems. We have to take into consideration the Biblical versus in context. Which brings me to my second point.

2) I'll use John 3:16 as my example because of how popular it is and how often it is said .. but misused.

This is not a salvation tool .. this is one of God's fulfilled promises but so often it is pulled out of context..I am going to write it in the new american standard verse and then take it back to the original Greek scripture and then explain each Greek word that could possibly be misinterpreted.

"For God so Loved the World that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whoever Believes in Him should not Perish but have Eternal Life."

"For Theo so Agapao the Kosmos He gave His Monogenes Huios that whoever Pisteuo in Him should not Apollumi but have Aionios Zoe"

Theo: diety or Supreme Divinity.
Agapao: to love
Kosmos: The ADORNING world.
Monogenes: only born
Huios: a son
Pisteuo: to entrust well-being to Christ
Apollumi: to destroy fully, destory, die, lose, mar, perish.
Aionios: perpetual, eternal, forever.
Zoe: life

So lets take it to the BIG mistake everyone makes with this verse. Kosmos (ADORNING WORLD) meaning the chosen or ELECT people only. Therefore Christ died for the elect people's sin alone.


Also Just for the record Calvanism should not be refered to as a religion because it is not a religion it is the truth. It comes straight from the bible in text and Calvan is one of the original leaders in the "church" or in christianity itself therefor he should be looked back onto as a person of great belief in the Bible and in Christ not a starter of another denomination of the Christain faith.

Last edited by Meagen; 08-18-08 at 07:46 PM..